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Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by kingcharles »

dustinmoris wrote: post #72
dschuessler wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft branding is terrible. My only point of contact with it is Visual Studio Code which is different from Visual Studio which is different from Visual Studio for Mac. There was a brief period of time after I recognized that .NET really works on all platforms without proprietary stuff and before the `dotnet watch` desaster in which I was at least curious about .NET. But even then I never fully figured out how .NE…

> Microsoft branding is terrible. Agreed. > I never fully figured out how .NET, .NET Core, ASP.NET, .NET Framework, .NET MAUI and the kitchen sink relate to each other. You're not the only one who is massively confused about everything that is labelled .NET or Core. If anyone else is struggling, I recommend this (I wrote it): https://dusted.codes/dotnet-basics

Great article, thank you.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by kingcharles »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #15
tonicbbleking wrote: post #8

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Naming it ASP.NET 5 would clash with .NET Framework ASP.NET 5 MVC, hence the ASP.NET Core 5 name.

Oblig: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/51390971/im-lost-what-ha...

Wow, I take it you are the author of that post. That is incredible. You need some sort of presidential medal for that.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by Douger »

dustinmoris wrote: post #72
dschuessler wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft branding is terrible. My only point of contact with it is Visual Studio Code which is different from Visual Studio which is different from Visual Studio for Mac. There was a brief period of time after I recognized that .NET really works on all platforms without proprietary stuff and before the `dotnet watch` desaster in which I was at least curious about .NET. But even then I never fully figured out how .NE…

> Microsoft branding is terrible. Agreed. > I never fully figured out how .NET, .NET Core, ASP.NET, .NET Framework, .NET MAUI and the kitchen sink relate to each other. You're not the only one who is massively confused about everything that is labelled .NET or Core. If anyone else is struggling, I recommend this (I wrote it): https://dusted.codes/dotnet-basics

You've done a really nice writeup here. To me it reads as someone patiently explaining the basics without being patronizing.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by rbobby »

dschuessler wrote: post #33
phillipcarter wrote: post #12

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> Core lives _inside_ of .net 6? Is there a non-core ASP.NET that also lives inside that framework? Yep! > I thought .net 5 was where the legacy 4.x branch and core 3.1 was married in holy matrimony, minus the worst of the legacy garbage. .NET 5 was the next evolution of .NET Core. There was no great merging of legacy .NET Framework into the .NET Core branch or something like that. It saw a bunch of foundational stuf…

Microsoft branding is terrible. My only point of contact with it is Visual Studio Code which is different from Visual Studio which is different from Visual Studio for Mac. There was a brief period of time after I recognized that .NET really works on all platforms without proprietary stuff and before the `dotnet watch` desaster in which I was at least curious about .NET. But even then I never fully figured out how .NE…

The naming for .NET got tough when it was decided that open source and cross platform was the way forward. If that had not happened it would all be called .NET framework to this day.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by wvenable »

kbd wrote: post #93
wvenable wrote: post #58

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Outside of a few very small stumbles, I don't think that Microsoft is a bad steward of open source .NET. Especially if you use Java as the alternative example where there were decades of Sun/Oracle shenanigans around open source Java. Microsoft has done an amazing amount of work writing and rewriting code to make cross platform open source .NET a real thing. All open licensed and developed in the open.

> Microsoft has done an amazing amount of work writing and rewriting code to make cross platform open source .NET a real thing. All open licensed and developed in the open. It's fitting you mention all the work Microsoft has done rewriting code. You're talking about .NET itself but I'm talking about the ecosystem, where Microsoft often does take others' projects and release their own version (the Windows package mana…

This reply doesn't really have anything to do with your original comment. If Microsoft is producing a solid language / framework in the open and improving their product such that 3rd party "light-weight" libraries like Nancy are no longer necessary, why is that a bad thing?

In my opinion, while other ecosystems have exploded in complexity in recent years, the increasing simplicity and batteries-included nature of .NET is an appealing contrast.

That's my answer to your question about why you should be interested in .NET if you're not already in the ecosystem.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by merb »

jmnicolas wrote: post #70
malkia wrote: post #45

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For an internal tool that reformats our code base, I've used that to pack the `dotnet format` (although technically, not allowed case, since it's a tool, and need to be run from an "sdk" environment). It works for what we use it (whitespace formatting, but not for msbuild/analysis - which is clearly understood). One thing though, is that native .dlls are still outside (DetoursServices.dll for example in BuildXL). But…

Yeah "publish" is magical, I specifically jumped from .net 4.8 to 5 just for this feature.

msbuild had publish since at least .net 3.5 (when I started to use the platform) it was just a little bit akward to use tough. and of course dotnet publish is 1000x better than msbuild with it's obscure syntax (which got way better in .net5 and 6 with -p: syntax, etc.)

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by vidanay »

kingcharles wrote: post #97
sedatk wrote: post #29

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The whole runtime gets included in the binary.

This actually makes sense in 2021 since we have the resources to allow things like this. 20 years ago this might have seemed insane.

30 years ago we used DOS and DLL Hell was a completely unknown concept. We did have to deal with himem.sys though.

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by tonicbbleking »

polskibus wrote: post #102

I wish they put more effort into round 10 version of C# . Features presented will have minimal impact on productivity and maintainability.

Discriminated unions is one of those features that everyone talks about, but never gets championed. Wish C# 10 already had this feature. https://github.com/dotnet/csharplang/discussions/2962

Re: .NET 6 Released

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Post by Avalaxy »

pleb_nz wrote: post #36
jekude wrote: post #34

As a relatively new engineer (~2 years FAANG experience), there seems to be a connotation around .NET. Perhaps this is indicative of the larger Microsoft ecosystem, but it feels like my peers at university and in the industry tend to stay far away from .NET for personal projects, etc. Why is this?

I can't answer your question directly but I can add that what I've noticed is frameworks and language seem to be very regionally orientated. I've noticed on some parts Java seems popular, other parts .net, and so on. It's quite interesting to see differences in job ads across regions globally. In my region, .net is used extensively and my friends do tend to use it for personal projects.

Definitely true. The netherlands for example is VERY Microsoft oriented. I come across .NET everywhere.
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