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Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by jayflux »

rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

I think historically games consoles were seen as more social, something you would play with someone else in the room.

Also I don’t think the target demographic would care much about it not being a pc (otherwise they would buy a pc). There’s a convenience of having a gaming box already set up, plus Playststion can have exclusive titles

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#102

Post by perth »

dajonker wrote: post #90
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

Convenience and cost for me. You get significantly better hardware for your money than a PC for the same price, while it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Just turn it on and play.

Not sure how true this is, but I've heard that Sony's PlayStation division is taking a hard hit from scalping, since they sell the consoles at a loss and scalpers don't buy games. So I wonder if this trend of selling consoles at a loss will continue in future generations.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#103

Post by gambiting »

rasz wrote: post #79
gambiting wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It really varies with markets. In UK it's pretty hard(although over the last year I've managed to help several of my friends buy one, it's just a matter of setting up discord notifications), in Poland they are easily available, you can just walk into a store and buy one no problem. Or several places have stock available for delivery. No big deal. For instance https://m.euro.com.pl/konsole-playstation-5/sony-playstati…

Yes, its available at x2 MSRP

No? If you're talking about the link I posted - 3300pln is about £600, and it includes two games and a controller. So MSRP of the console itself at £449 + 2x games at £50 + 1x controller at £50 = £600.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by melff »

user-the-name wrote: post #95
rich_sasha wrote: post #85

Given all the issues described in this thread, what is the upside of a game console (non-gamer)? Why not get a PC that you can automatically use for other things, can play games from any vendor etc (some of the issues mentioned in the thread). Are consoles cheaper “per transistor” or sth? If so, why? Is it about the vendor locking you in and charging more per game? That would seem even more skewed against the buyer:…

1. Game availability - lots of good games are not available on PC and will never be. 2. Hardware convenience - just a box you put next to your TV that works from the second you take it out of the packaging. 3. Software convenience - no need to deal with a million compatibility issues, buggy drivers, and all the problems that come with Windows and gaming hardware.

I disagree with #1. I never had issues finding great games for Windoze.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by shocks »

doikor wrote: post #99
shocks wrote: post #94

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You’ve missed the point. I don’t want to setup and configure yet another computer.

There is not a whole lot of configuring to do. Just buy a prebuilt and install Steam and you are done. After that you install the games in steam, launch them from steam, buy them from steam etc. Basically the same experience as the dashboard on playstation or xbox.

You’re not going to convince me otherwise dude. :)

I have consoles and a powerful gaming PC. I use both regularly. For me they’re good for different things.

My Nintendo Switches get the most use.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

#106

Post by rbanffy »

PixelOfDeath wrote: post #20
rbanffy wrote: post #14

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The last “interesting” PlayStation in that regard was the PS3. The 4 was just a PC. The contemporary Xbox also had an interesting CPU, also PPC ISA. All successors were mostly x86 PCs. There may be some ARM fun in the future, as thermals are a huge thing now (the PS5 is mostly a heatsink with a computer attached and the newest Xbox is kind of a chimney).

They are x86 APUs with a very powerful GPU and high memory bandwidth. Something you can not buy on the open market to use it as a PC so far.

That’s a good point. The 5 has about the same memory bandwidth of an M1 Max, which is something you’ll only find in 2-socket big Xeons (NUMA excepted), but the PS4 is on the same ballpark of a Threadripper Pro. Still, they are very much PCs with memory systems that are not available in general purpose boxes of the same price.

I remember, however, some benchmarks on motherboards with console CPUs that were somewhat disappointing because the GDDR6 memory has high bandwidth at a higher latency cost that the internal caches couldn’t hide.

Still, if you can tune your workload for it, it may be an interesting compute box.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by shocks »

melff wrote: post #97
doikor wrote: post #91

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Nothing is stopping you from connecting a PC to your TV to play games on your sofa.

yeah, I use my laptop as a mobile "console" with ps4 controllers. It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen, but they do exist

> It's sometimes a PITA to find good games that with controller support and splitscreen

You’ve just demonstrated one of the reasons people get consoles.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by gbraad »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #40
gbraad wrote: post #33

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... and when it gets lost you are unable to claim the insurance amount

Honestly, I wouldn't be concerned about that. Insurance is nothing more than free revenue for the carrier. I'd send close to 500 packages a month to destinations all over the world, and tracked items almost never go missing. For those that do go missing, it's always to a few hotspots that I would simply avoid if selling an item this valuable (pretty much just Brazil and South Africa now; Russia and Italy are much bet…

Send to China (Beijing)? Many of my packages have gone lost or got opened and stuff taken out. And yes, the value on the CN23 form is conclusive for the insurance amount you can claim on the CN24 form.

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by herehere1x »

perth wrote: post #102
dajonker wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Convenience and cost for me. You get significantly better hardware for your money than a PC for the same price, while it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Just turn it on and play.

Not sure how true this is, but I've heard that Sony's PlayStation division is taking a hard hit from scalping, since they sell the consoles at a loss and scalpers don't buy games. So I wonder if this trend of selling consoles at a loss will continue in future generations.

Don't the people that they resell the console onto buy games though? Possibly missing something here

Re: Playstation 5 root keys obtained

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Post by bengale »

perth wrote: post #102
dajonker wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Convenience and cost for me. You get significantly better hardware for your money than a PC for the same price, while it is guaranteed that all games you can buy will run as the developer intended it. Just turn it on and play.

Not sure how true this is, but I've heard that Sony's PlayStation division is taking a hard hit from scalping, since they sell the consoles at a loss and scalpers don't buy games. So I wonder if this trend of selling consoles at a loss will continue in future generations.

It'll shake out. I'm sure that is weighted to return more later in the generation anyway.
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