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Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by jseban »

agumonkey wrote: post #17
gadrev wrote: post #2

Yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28970792 (this is a different article)

The bike brigade is loose :) I don't know how a bike-first city would feel, but biking is a serious bonus in one's life (granted you have safe space or a herd around you). So the more the merrier.

It feels like having a gym membership, you really like the idea of yourself, and you can be smug and get virtue signalling points, but in practice people rarely use it and it's mostly empty except for a short season.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by ResearchCode »

mrexroad wrote: post #91
ResearchCode wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial than any other in this thread, that is, as if Barcelona was not infamous as a crime ridden s hole where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance.)

How much time have you spent in Barcelona?

Enough not to get gaslighted.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by mFixman »

jseban wrote: post #89
tpm wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My point is that it's not a good idea to expand bike lanes in big city centers where you already have public transport I don't know what is your background, but many cities are doing it and it's not only about enabling bikes but also to disable passenger cars, and the main reason is it makes the places more livable and enjoyable: it's quieter, the air is cleaner, the streets are safer, people actually spend more ti…

Oh and I should add: outside of my house they have blocked one whole lane of the road from cars and designated it for cyclists. There was already a smaller bike lane. This new lane is now mostly empty and the remaining two lanes have traffic jams now with sirens all the time because emergency vehicles can't pass anymore. And I just think it's stupid and annoying. There was already a perfectly fine bike lane. There is…

Cars cause traffic jams.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by daneel_w »

enriquto wrote: post #34
daneel_w wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Biking in this bus formation and biking normally are separate enough that it doesn’t seem to be a concern. IMO that’s like asking if kids don’t where seat belts on a normal bus, are they then at risk of not wearing seat belts in normal cars?" I don't think you put much thought into your reasoning. You're conveniently forgetting that people have a knack for developing bad habits, and children have a knack for picking…

But cycling in the middle of your lane is a good habit. It is explicitly recommended! The bicibus may thus help people to do it and reclaim the road.

I'm all for reclaiming and equally sharing the roads that all of us paid for, but it can't be done by biking recklessly in the middle of car traffic. It has to achieved politically.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by daneel_w »

soared wrote: post #56
daneel_w wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Biking in this bus formation and biking normally are separate enough that it doesn’t seem to be a concern. IMO that’s like asking if kids don’t where seat belts on a normal bus, are they then at risk of not wearing seat belts in normal cars?" I don't think you put much thought into your reasoning. You're conveniently forgetting that people have a knack for developing bad habits, and children have a knack for picking…

My opinion was that habits for bike bus trips wouldn’t transfer to normal biking because the context of the activities are so different.

Yes, context separation definitely sounds like something children are prone to... Have you ever met children?

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by xwdv »

peoplefromibiza wrote: post #84
_nalply wrote: post #50

I have been in Paris two weeks ago and I am surprised how much Paris changed in the last years. Bike lanes and people who ride bikes and scooters everywhere. I hope that this is THE change in most European metropolises for the future. Not only in Barcelona.

Been in Paris two weeks ago as well to visit my girlfriend who's been living there for 11 years. Scooters are in the process of being banned in Paris because they are too dangerous and in Rome, where I come from, they are going yo be heavily regulated (mandatory helmet, reduced speed, designated pick up and drop locations, etc. ) because they caused a +35% increase of brain traumas to teenagers Not everything that lo…

It would be a shame if they are banned as it is one of the most efficient and enjoyable ways to get around the city.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by CyanBird »

ResearchCode wrote: post #88
asdfwefdadsf wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please provide a source for Barcelona being a crime capital of Europe.

For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query. (Entertaining the question as if my claim was more controversial than any other in this thread, that is, as if Barcelona was not infamous as a crime ridden s hole where visitors are asked to practice war zone vigilance.)

> For instance, the "sources" accessible through those keywords put in a google search query.

We are on hackernews, here it is part of the etiquette to source claims

Please ensure that you do so

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by enriquto »

daneel_w wrote: post #104
enriquto wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But cycling in the middle of your lane is a good habit. It is explicitly recommended! The bicibus may thus help people to do it and reclaim the road.

I'm all for reclaiming and equally sharing the roads that all of us paid for , but it can't be done by biking recklessly in the middle of car traffic. It has to achieved politically.

There's nothing reckless in cycling in traffic. If anything, some car drivers can be reckless by driving dangerously close to cyclists. Cycling on the streets is a right that we already have and that cyclists already paid for. The only thing that remains to be achieved is that a vocal minority of motorists accept this fact.

Re: Barcelona’s Bicibús: hundreds of families biking to school together

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Post by agumonkey »

jseban wrote: post #101
agumonkey wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bike brigade is loose :) I don't know how a bike-first city would feel, but biking is a serious bonus in one's life (granted you have safe space or a herd around you). So the more the merrier.

It feels like having a gym membership, you really like the idea of yourself, and you can be smug and get virtue signalling points, but in practice people rarely use it and it's mostly empty except for a short season.

you mean people using their bikes don't do it regularly ?
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