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Without an ultimate authority (God), it doesn't make sense.
It doesn’t make sense _to you_. You’re welcome.
No, it's objective. See my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485
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#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's very straightforward to debunk the above: atheists don't believe in God. The implication is that everyone is "chemical scum", that there is no purpose to life, and that ultimately nothing matters. Therefore, it doesn't matter if we blow up the entire world, or make everyone suffer to please a handful of people, there are no consequences and nothing matters at the end of the day.
Then I suppose we're lucky the entirety of secular history and also the natural world -- godless as it is -- has not played this Two Shell Monte.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn’t make sense _to you_. You’re welcome.
No, it's objective. See my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485
Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, it's objective. See my reply here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28977485
Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
Re: 20Y study finds little evidence religiosity leads to greater life satisfaction
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
Is it you or your God who thinks other people think of other people as „chemical scum“? What if that same God that allows you to think of other people as people who think of other people as „chemical scum“ also allows for subjective morality rather than your objective version of it? What if I told you God himself has sent me to bring you this very message? Would it confuse you?
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#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
>"The point of religion is..." Citation please
Yeah. Successful religions are just a memeplex that have been exceedingly good at keeping themselves alive and growing. They don't have a point. They just exist.
The church I belong to says its mission, or our duty as mem bers, is to:
1) live the gospel
2) care for those in need (which we very actively work at, locally and worldwide)
3) invite others to come to Christ (love, share, invite)
4) unite families for eternity
My own notes/additions to the above include:
1) Live the gospel meaning to keep commandments (like the 10), do what one knows is right, be humble and faithful, etc in order to have the promised ~ "...peace in this life, and eternal life in the world to come." I have seen the results in stable multigenerational family organizations, and ability to work through very hard times. And to know life and hard things have a good purpose and is worth it. And so much more.
2-4) so very much could be said. example-- https://www.thechurchnews.com/living-faith/2021-10-25/nation... ... which resonates with my neighborhood experiences, including with those not of our faith.
And the extensive humanitarian work (where 100% of those specific donations go to those in need, none to admin overhead) and high voluntarism.
Re: 20Y study finds little evidence religiosity leads to greater life satisfaction
#107Honestly, and completely anecdotally, having been raised Catholic I would expect it to result in quite the opposite when so much of the doctrine is based on guilt. That said before anyone jumps on me, also anecdotally, I haven't found any greater life satisfaction by not being religious either. You do you. The article says the study suggests there's not a really strong causal relationship in either way which surprise…
Specifically WRT community, I saw this today: https://www.thechurchnews.com/living-faith/2021-10-25/nation...
...which talks about community trust and whether different groups believe that others in their neighborhood would be willing to help out, and resonates with my neighborhood experiences while living in various different places, including among those of other/no faiths.
Edit: My personal experience and observation has also been that those active and devoted in my faith have much greater success in solving the inevitable problems of life, and having united multigenerational families, than those who choose other paths (but we still love them). And that increased devotion correlates with increased education, and with success in having a stable life with ability to help others. (So many examples...)
Re: 20Y study finds little evidence religiosity leads to greater life satisfaction
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
Thank God he staffed you with all the objectivity he had left after creating the objective universe so that you can enlighten us with such third grader logic.
Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Give me a moral basis on why we can't destroy Earth when at the end of the day, from an atheistic materialistic point of view, nothing matters since we're all "chemical scum". Suffering or pleasure, it doesn't matter one bit. This isn't controversial, this is what atheist heads and philosophers say because it's the only logical conclusion to arrive at from their world view: https://youtu.be/EqK_JPts26k?t=183
Is it you or your God who thinks other people think of other people as „chemical scum“? What if that same God that allows you to think of other people as people who think of other people as „chemical scum“ also allows for subjective morality rather than your objective version of it? What if I told you God himself has sent me to bring you this very message? Would it confuse you?
I think you're not understanding the point. Stephen Hawking is on record for saying that humans are "a chemical scum on a moderately sized planet". From the atheistic materialistic point of view, that's the only logical conclusion to reach.
If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough.
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#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it you or your God who thinks other people think of other people as „chemical scum“? What if that same God that allows you to think of other people as people who think of other people as „chemical scum“ also allows for subjective morality rather than your objective version of it? What if I told you God himself has sent me to bring you this very message? Would it confuse you?
I think you're not understanding the point. Stephen Hawking is on record for saying that humans are "a chemical scum on a moderately sized planet". From the atheistic materialistic point of view, that's the only logical conclusion to reach. If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough.
>If you're claiming that God sent you with a message, you're going to have to bring evidence, claiming is not enough.
You're the one making that claim, you bring the evidence, since you ignored mine.
You can start by proving, objectively, the existence of your God.