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Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by joe_the_user » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:01 AM UTC

coliveira wrote: post #70

azinman2 wrote: post #68

My hope is that supply chain issues will make clear the downsides to execs (not just the workers) and governments of externalizing all manufacturing abroad and out of reach. Look at the chaos caused by a pandemic, now imagine war or purposefully using supply chain as leverage.

This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

I don't think you're necessarily right this is temporary. But companies always have the option of just not producing. If no one has blue paint, for most uses, the consumer just buys another color and grumbles.

And the things that are most likely to have a shortage would be those things that are cheapest produce a large scale in just one part of the world, so they're things that would be hardest to replace.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by dgemm » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:01 AM UTC

azinman2 wrote: post #68

My hope is that supply chain issues will make clear the downsides to execs (not just the workers) and governments of externalizing all manufacturing abroad and out of reach. Look at the chaos caused by a pandemic, now imagine war or purposefully using supply chain as leverage.

That is actually partly the point, interdependent economies have stronger incentives to get along and not go to war with each other. It's one of the reasons the EU exists, for example: https://eeas.europa.eu/archives/delegations/iceland/evropust...

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by saurik » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:05 AM UTC

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #97

verisimi wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you remember 3 weeks to 'flatten the curve'? And its not over yet but we're 18 months in! The virus, the treatment are transformational. They are the catalysts to technocratic governance.

Re your 1st paragraph: Ahh, yeah, when things change beyond first estimations, let's use outdated statements made using old data to conclude "They were lying from the beginning, it's been planned all along!". Meanwhile it's month 18 in USA because the antivax folks started with the premise of non-cooperation ("because I hate the other party") and worked from there to invent all sorts of excuses why their non-cooperat…

Are you saying that the "a year from now" estimate from the commenter is correct merely due to "prior estimates were wrong is no reason to distrust new estimates"? FWIW, I am under the impression that, officially, there aren't even estimates anymore... it will end when it ends and, frankly, if the issue are the people who aren't getting vaccinated, do you think that is changing soon? If anything, aren't we learning that the immunity--even and maybe even particularly the "natural immunity" from having contracted the virus directly--is temporary?

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by hattmall » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:05 AM UTC

jtbayly wrote: post #100

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re your 1st paragraph: Ahh, yeah, when things change beyond first estimations, let's use outdated statements made using old data to conclude "They were lying from the beginning, it's been planned all along!". Meanwhile it's month 18 in USA because the antivax folks started with the premise of non-cooperation ("because I hate the other party") and worked from there to invent all sorts of excuses why their non-cooperat…

If 100% of the population were fully vaccinated tomorrow, would that end the pandemic?

I think what your missing is that it's been over for a while in a lot of places. Like there's a lot of places that by last May there was no way to know anything was going on and school started back just fine in August of 2020.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by bellyfullofbac » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:14 AM UTC

jtbayly wrote: post #100

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re your 1st paragraph: Ahh, yeah, when things change beyond first estimations, let's use outdated statements made using old data to conclude "They were lying from the beginning, it's been planned all along!". Meanwhile it's month 18 in USA because the antivax folks started with the premise of non-cooperation ("because I hate the other party") and worked from there to invent all sorts of excuses why their non-cooperat…

If 100% of the population were fully vaccinated tomorrow, would that end the pandemic?

It would probably end the restrictions (to which the "I've got their plan figured out"-contrarian will reply "No, I bet the tyrannical governments have worse plans").

The scientific literature says the vaccinated have lower viral load and are less infectious, if the load on hospitals and careworkers get reduced, what would prevent the relaxation of the restrictions?

Currently careworkers have been under extra pressure for 18 months, imagine a car engine being revved too hard and too long that suddenly blows, and apply this analogy to them, obviously not the entire industry in a day, but maybe over a semester...

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by skhr0680 » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:17 AM UTC

tjr225 wrote: post #98

ajsnigrutin wrote: post #92

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Except that you cannot buy a graphics card anymore.. or a car.. and food is expensive.. and fuel too.. and blue paint also.

I have a home, two cars, food, and blue paint. I’m not rich by any means, but my life has never been more abundant. A coworker gave me a graphics card, too!

Gas is getting to 2008 levels where I live, surely you would notice that if you have two vehicles

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by skhr0680 » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:22 AM UTC

oasisbob wrote: post #23

> "There is one basic color tint that is extremely difficult to get" Any idea of the possible tint which is being referred to? Wondering if it's a mineral source requiring mining, heavy-metal processing, or what?

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2018/05/14/new-blue-pigment-...

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by omgwtfbyobbq » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:41 AM UTC

skhr0680 wrote: post #106

tjr225 wrote: post #98

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I have a home, two cars, food, and blue paint. I’m not rich by any means, but my life has never been more abundant. A coworker gave me a graphics card, too!

Gas is getting to 2008 levels where I live, surely you would notice that if you have two vehicles

It's getting up there, but still has a way to go before it hits the high ($4.05) from 2008.

https://www.eia.gov/petroleum/gasdiesel/xls/pswrgvwall.xls

Adjusted for inflation that's about $5.15/gallon.

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:45 AM UTC

anticodon wrote: post #95

coliveira wrote: post #70

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This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic. In one year, people will not even remember this. Companies will not spend billions of dollars unless they have no other option.

> This is all momentary situation caused by the pandemic Very unlikely. 2020 was beginning of a super crisis caused by several reasons: 1) Depletion of fossil fuels which are used to produce consumer goods, e.g. to heat factories and provide electricity for the factory machines. Also fossil fuels are used to transport produced goods around half of the world. It was all possible due to abundant and cheap energy. But t…

What evidence is there that fossil fuels were suddenly depleted for cause 1?

Isn’t cause 2 basically agreeing “it was the pandemic”?

Re: Paintmakers are running out of the color blue

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Post by sokoloff » Sat, Oct 23, 2021, 1:54 AM UTC

mywittyname wrote: post #84

rsj_hn wrote: post #82

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It is more than just people being angry. As was famously pointed out by Axel Leijonhufvud, inflation makes the process of economic planning extremely difficult. If you are a business, you need to make long term production plans, and when you have no idea what the costs will be, that severly disrupts the production process and leads to shortages regardless of how you feel emotionally about something. Instead of talkin…

Inflation is not the same as price gouging. Price gouging is a legal term for people/retailers taking advantage of shortages or spikes in demand by charging well over market price for basic necessities.

Charging well over the previous market price.

Allowing price gouging is allowing selling at the current market price.