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1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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Something said by a comedian doesn’t make it a joke. And something being a joke doesn’t shield it (or the teller) from criticism.

Agreed, as in a lot of times comedy is used as a fake excuse to get out of something that intended to offend. If the main point was critique with comedy, sure, it makes sense to see through it.

“ Ful ofte in game a sooth I have herd saye!” (Many a true word is spoken in jest)

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Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#102

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Something said by a comedian doesn’t make it a joke. And something being a joke doesn’t shield it (or the teller) from criticism.

A man claiming that he's a woman because he wears a dress and make-up and really believes he's a woman is kind of inherently funny, in an absurd way. Feels like we're all living inside a Monty Python sketch right now. That one from Life of Brian comes to mind. And if this is what people consider important enough to go on strike for, then that's even more bizarrely amusing. A thousand people bunking off work because a…

> A man claiming that he's a woman because he wears a dress and make-up and really believes he's a woman

Actually, my understanding is that it's really only the radical activists who insist on that sort of thing. Most real-world trans folks are sensible enough to grok the fact that while they might perform socially as their gender of choice, they don't in fact embody it in the same way as someone who was assigned that gender at birth would.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#103
There's a point in the new special where Dave brings up the anti-transgender bathroom bill that was passed and then repealed in North Carolina. When he mentions it, an audience member enthusiastically cheers for it and Dave has to immediately clarify that he's against it. If the points you're trying to make are so unclear that people are enthusiastically cheering for anti-trans laws, you may not be anti-trans, but you're certainly wearing an anti-trans uniform.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

I find it interesting that you use inflammatory language like “cancelled by the mob” while copying terminology and unsupported theories that tabloids like the Daily Mail use to incite outrage and mob-like reactions of their own. She committed suicide after what appears to be a troubled life, months after being criticized by other members of the trans community on Twitter. Unless you have some special knowledge of her…

You can’t engage intellectually with someone who is criticizing something without even watching it fully to understand the context.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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> What would you say if Netflix called their bluff and just fired all the people that walked out? They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly. I suspect people involved with work stoppages who aren't protected via a union are keenly aware of the possibility of being fired and have deemed it worth the risk. > This reminds me more of the student protests we used to see, where they wante…

> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

Given the current job market and political climate in tech, i find it hard to believe that a high skill employee would be passed over because they attended a pro-trans protest/walk-stoppage along with thousand other people. I don't think most people would even consider such a person to be an activist employee.

The person who leaked confidential data - yes, i could see that being a red flag in hiring.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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For those who haven't seen the special, the core of the controversy appears to be Chappelle mourning his friend, Daphne Dorman. She was a transgender standup comedian who opened for Chappelle and defended his comedy against the Twitter mob. She killed herself shortly after she was canceled by the mob and Chappelle set up a trust fund for her daughter. Chappelle paid tribute to her in his special, but he did it in an…

If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

this is now beyond the facts of the matter and has crossed over into controversy-as-marketing.

(personally have no interest in this controversy, or chappelle, who i find angry and unfunny.)

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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> They work at FAANG. Pretty sure they'll be able to get new jobs very quickly I think companies are acutely aware and growingly suspicious of employee activism. Would you want to hire an activist for your organization? It would be a red flag to me as the activist employees could second guess any decisions made at any level of the organization and work to organize to cause a disruption. It's just not an effective way…

you've got the importances inverted. letting companies do as they please is no way to run a society. people first, then companies. it's this sort of inversion that's gotten us into the mess of a society we're facing now.

I disagree. You need strong leadership in an organization. You can't run an organization with 10k employees where any employee can hold you hostage and refuse to work if they disagree with any decision made.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#108

If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. I feel like the social justice brigade needs to seriously lighten up - maybe don't watch content that sets you off so easily? Just like everyone has had to do since.. the invention of television and other broadcast media?

> If you don't like the company's decisions, you should stop working for the company - easy enough. That's exactly the threat here, but with an opportunity for the company to alter its decision making if it wants the labor.

It’s a pointless gesture designed to be more about sending a virtue signal than any impact at all. Dave’s been paid, a work stoppage won’t stop eyeballs and ears from hearing the comedy (it’s all over YouTube), and Netflix will not lose a statistically significant number of subscribers over this. To be honest, I’m sure that there will be no interruption to the streaming service at all.

And the next series of specials that Chappelle sells will have an increase in viewership because of the controversy these activist employees and stupid media outrage has created from this one. Netflix knows this and will want a chance at being the provider of that content.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

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If we want to talk about moral virtue, actions speak louder than words. Dave, by the sounds of it was a kind and gracious friend to Daphne and this was corroborated by her family. He offered her to open for him in a club as well, a great opportunity given his tenure as a comedian. In addition, upon hearing of her passing, setup a trust for her daughter. The twitter mob on the other hand tried to have her cancelled af…

In the twisted world of Twitter, virtue-signaling and calling people out gets you more recognition than any kind action that actually makes a damn difference.

The twisted world of Twitter consists of people who claim to care about others for internet points, yet have no idea what empathy is.

Re: 1k Netflix employees threaten work stoppage over Dave Chappelle

#110

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A man claiming that he's a woman because he wears a dress and make-up and really believes he's a woman is kind of inherently funny, in an absurd way. Feels like we're all living inside a Monty Python sketch right now. That one from Life of Brian comes to mind. And if this is what people consider important enough to go on strike for, then that's even more bizarrely amusing. A thousand people bunking off work because a…

> A man claiming that he's a woman because he wears a dress and make-up and really believes he's a woman Actually, my understanding is that it's really only the radical activists who insist on that sort of thing. Most real-world trans folks are sensible enough to grok the fact that while they might perform socially as their gender of choice, they don't in fact embody it in the same way as someone who was assigned tha…

I think you may well be right, though it's hard to say just how many trans people aren't on board with these controversial ontological claims of gender identity activism - perhaps in part because those who speak out against it get accused of 'internalized transphobia' and such, and relentlessly bullied by the activists.
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