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Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by ravenstine »

woodruffw wrote: post #73
m0zg wrote: post #61

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...

Both the FBI and DHS ought to be on the terror list themselves.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by woodruffw »

ravenstine wrote: post #101
woodruffw wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...

Both the FBI and DHS ought to be on the terror list themselves.

No particular disagreement here!

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by pwned1 »

bitlax wrote: post #5

So what's the deal with the militia groups? Are these groups listed particularly heinous groups or is this an editorial decision by Facebook, that they don't want militia groups to organize using their platform?

LOL. Michigan Militia of Love.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by cwkoss »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #82
m0zg wrote: post #61

No Antifa? Why, of course not. What's a few dead people and billions of dollars in damage between friends.

You obviously did not bother to read the list, which includes several Antifa groups. (as well as some calling themselves Anti-Antifa)

Yep, I found the local leftist milita (they have antifa ideology but don't name the group antifa) on the list.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by woodruffw »

m0zg wrote: post #92
woodruffw wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The FBI and DHS, two agencies whose relationships with America's left have never been described as "friendly," have consistently determined that antifascists are neither organized as a movement[1] nor a serious violent threat to the United States[2]. [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/us/antifa-protests-george... [2]: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-...

Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI? https://thehill.com/opinion/criminal-justice/575658-fbi-shou... https://www.newsweek.com/concerned-about-your-childs-school-... Don't rely so heavily on "fact checks" - their sole raison d'etre is to provide ammo to the "official" narrative peddlers nowadays. Read the original letter.

For what it's worth, it's considered bad etiquette to substantively edit your comments without marking that you've done so. In this case, the original post consisted entirely of:

> Same FBI that's about to start arresting "terrorist" parents for having the temerity to speak at school board meetings? That FBI?

As for the new links: they're both opinion pieces, both of which are (vague) handwringing that don't support the more outrageous claim being made (that the FBI is about to "start arresting [...] parents").

The closest thing I can find to actual reporting on this says that Garland (who's DoJ, not FBI) wrote an advisory memo[1]. The memo itself is a broad announcement to multiple federal agencies notifying them to coordinate with local agencies in cases of harassment against educators. Not exactly shocking stuff.

[1]: https://www.justice.gov/ag/page/file/1438986/download

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by syshum »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #64
syshum wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have Adolf Hitler on the list, he is dead as far as I know unless Facebook as confirm the conspiracy that he never died?

Everyone missing the bleeding obvious: keywords for their moderation bots, if post contains keyword, flag it for manual moderation, or even downrank it so it doesn't show up that often in news feeds. Although with how much the MAGA-crowd evokes the name of Hitler/Nazis to compare the current administration with it, maybe not...

>>Although with how much the MAGA-crowd evokes the name of Hitler/Nazis to compare the current administration with it, maybe not...

I have not seen this widely used, and when it is often it is in the context of "And they called us Nazi's" or something to that effect.

The number of "MAGA-Types" comparing Biden to WWII Germany is a faction of the number of people that used the same comparison for Trump.

Neither are accurate, but Godwin demands that everything we dislike is just like fascism

//for the record, because I have not. I am neither Republican or Democrat I support the largest 3rd party in the US, they who can not be named....

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by woodruffw »

robbedpeter wrote: post #90
gorwell wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...

Why not Marx and Mao? Could never understand why some murder memes are OK but others are not.

Karl Marx, the 19th century philosopher and economist, is not particularly well known for murdering people.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by cwkoss »

chroem- wrote: post #38

Where are the left wing insurrectionist groups that terrorized Seattle and Portland last year? In Seattle they seceded from the US and shot six people with fully automatic weapons, in addition to thowing pipe bombs into occupied buildings. Edit: Is it okay when we do it?

Do we have any conclusive evidence that those acts were committed by particular groups rather than unaffiliated individuals?

In my limited experience, the grouped-up folks tend to take more measured actions, the lone wolves are more likely to cause trouble.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by legostormtroopr »

woodruffw wrote: post #81
gorwell wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long dead Hitler and Goebbels are included too, but why stop there? Where's Joseph Stalin and Vlad the Impaler. https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/21083819/pages/facebo...

I'm guessing the list is based on political salience, not just how "bad" a person is. There probably aren't that many Vlad the Impaler apologists in the world, given that he's a functionally irrelevant person to be an apologist for. That's perhaps less the case for Stalin, but even Marxist-Leninists (seem) to make fewer excuses for Stalin-the-human than neo-Nazis do for Hitler-the-human.

> There probably aren't that many Vlad the Impaler apologists in the world

Literally the entire genre of Vampire literature disagrees.

Re: Facebook Dangerous Individuals and Organizations List (Reproduced Snapshot)

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Post by woodruffw »

chroem- wrote: post #88
tomjakubowski wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think your original post would have been better received if you had been more specific and named the groups you'd like to see censored.

That's part of the problem though: there is nobody keeping track of left wing terrorist groups in the US. We only have a clear picture of the PNWYLF and JBGC because they went around bombing and shooting people all last summer. To say the problem is limited to just a few groups is difficult, because A.) they are numerous with varying objectives, and B.) we just don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

> we just don't know how deep the rabbit hole goes.

Hopefully not as deep as those mountain fortresses that Bin Laden was hiding in[1]!

[1]: http://archive.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/brainiac/2011/05...

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