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Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by treeman79 »

orra wrote: post #94
jeeeb wrote: post #71

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Not to hijack this too much but the Australian vaccine rollout has been widely panned but much of the problems come down to a choice to rely on domestically manufactured AZ vaccines. In a different timeline if the AZ vaccine hadn’t been associated with rare blood clotting, if Pfizer/Moderna hasn’t been able to scale manufacturing as well that strategy would be looking very good. It’s interesting to think that Canada…

Where Australia really messed up was basically stopping use of AstraZeneca entirely (IIRC). Blood clot risk is much higher the younger you are[1]. It would have been far better to continue using AstraZeneca, but limit it to a certain age and older. [1] For example, 1.1 of the specific clots per 100 000 vaccinations of people in their 20s, falling to 0.2 per 100 000 in their 60s. https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/n…

Clots when young are much fun. Having a unknown clotting disorder really screwed me up

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by orra »

_AzMoo wrote: post #96
orra wrote: post #94

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Where Australia really messed up was basically stopping use of AstraZeneca entirely (IIRC). Blood clot risk is much higher the younger you are[1]. It would have been far better to continue using AstraZeneca, but limit it to a certain age and older. [1] For example, 1.1 of the specific clots per 100 000 vaccinations of people in their 20s, falling to 0.2 per 100 000 in their 60s. https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/n…

That's exactly what Australia did, except all of the FUD led to older Australians choosing to forgo AZ due to the perceived risk.

Ah, didn't realise. Good they didn't ban it, but then that's still a clear failure of public health messaging. In exchange for falling behind on vaccination, Australia had some rather strict lockdowns (especially for the post-vaccine stage of the pandemic).

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by orra »

treeman79 wrote: post #101
orra wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where Australia really messed up was basically stopping use of AstraZeneca entirely (IIRC). Blood clot risk is much higher the younger you are[1]. It would have been far better to continue using AstraZeneca, but limit it to a certain age and older. [1] For example, 1.1 of the specific clots per 100 000 vaccinations of people in their 20s, falling to 0.2 per 100 000 in their 60s. https://wintoncentre.maths.cam.ac.uk/n…

Clots when young are much fun. Having a unknown clotting disorder really screwed me up

Yeah, sorry, doesn't sound like fun.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by earlyriser »

newsclues wrote: post #89

Canadian government funded media outlet defends the government’s actions. There was a reason people complained about the government’s funding of media.

Some people, but I see more people happy of having public medias.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

chroem- wrote: post #91
BigJono wrote: post #70

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"violators" aren't being shot with rubber bullets. Nazi fuckwits are being shot with rubber bullets after being given hours to leave their violent protests of their own free will before attacking police with projectiles and charging at them. I watched the entire thing live, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The Guardian also did an expose on the instigators of those protests are accessed a group…

They're trade unionists . Not exactly the type of people I would put at the top of my suspected "nazi fuckwits" list.

Well, perhaps they need to move up your list now.

The "anti-lockdown protests" have consistently attracted some very unpleasant kooks, cranks and opportunists, from the "5g mind control" lot to the "international banker conspiracy" lot. It's omni-nutty. Piers Corbyn is a regular at the UK ones. In the US, I am sure that all roads lead to QAnon and their anti-Semitic totalising conspiracy theory. The intensity and nature of crankery is shifting.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by Causality1 »

refurb wrote: post #39
Causality1 wrote: post #33

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Why is it luck? They all result in exposing the body to the exact same spike protein. We would have to be dangerously wrong about what the vaccines do for them to not work fine together.

It’s not the exact same spike protein.

The differences are stabilizers intended to prevent conversion of the labile form of the S protein. If the vaccines didn't work together then one or both of them wouldn't work at all.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by angelzen »

tinus_hn wrote: post #90
angelzen wrote: post #61

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https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/australias-two-la... From what I can garner, there are such systems on trial, though as of Sept 16 the trials were on a voluntary basis.

Why would you run trials of this Big Brother system if you weren’t considering making it mandatory?

There are facts and there is my personal opinion. Personally I find this technology extremely worrisome and there is a good chance they will make it mandatory before long.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by rubyist5eva »

switch007 wrote: post #69
rubyist5eva wrote: post #24

Paid off in what exactly? Many of our provincial governments have implemented totalitarian measures despite an insanely high vaccination rate and low death rate - creating a medically segregated society. In one province, the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person to the cause of "managing the emergency". Our courts uphold the measures because…

Hear hear. I knew someone would call out Canada's totalitarianism and get down-voted for it. The criticism in response to the article is not out of place. The article gushes about how wonderful a job the vaccine has done. Well, it hasn't done a wonderful job for freedom or rights has it?

In my province in particular, mandatory vaccines were implemented in a small subset of regulated industries - but then the rest of the private sector moved in lockstep to require proof of vaccination for service and employment.

For my demographic, the moderna vaccine is no longer recommended - we are told to get Pfizer instead even though the vaccines are basically the same (including the risks moderna is being advised against for). The Astra Zeneca vaccine was suspended because of blood clotting risks and Jansen is not available yet.

I do not believe that your freedom and civil rights should be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a profit seeking corporation trying to sell as much of its product as possible. Especially one as corrupt as Pfizer.

My doctor has advised me to wait on vaccination because I already had Covid. I trust my doctor more than I trust the government telling me what medical interventions to get, coercion or not.

I also do not believe any random person should be allowed to coerce medical information from you that would typically fall under doctor patient confidentiality.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by rubyist5eva »

ipaddr wrote: post #31
rubyist5eva wrote: post #24

Paid off in what exactly? Many of our provincial governments have implemented totalitarian measures despite an insanely high vaccination rate and low death rate - creating a medically segregated society. In one province, the government has given itself vast power to perform warrantless search, confiscate property and conscript any person to the cause of "managing the emergency". Our courts uphold the measures because…

The government's actions I can understand. The courts decisions based on 'unprecedence' events is troublesome. It creates a low barrier for the removal of any rights. An event will happen like this again.

Canadian citizens have freedom of movement in our constitution, it should not be contingent on getting an invasive medical procedure using a product from a foreign profit seeking pharmaceutical corporation.

Re: Canada's 'gamble' on delaying, mixing and matching Covid-19 vaccines paid off

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Post by bshipp »

newsclues wrote: post #89

Canadian government funded media outlet defends the government’s actions. There was a reason people complained about the government’s funding of media.

Just the people in Alberta. No one anywhere else really notices or cares about the CBC. I've always appreciated having a national news source, personally. I think it's fairly high quality and reasonably unbiased compared to some of the alternatives.
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