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Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by jjj123 »

charcircuit wrote: post #93
throwaway81523 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they have trained an ML system on it, they have acquired and exploited info about your private behaviour even if it is anonymized. So it is an invasion. The trope "not personally identifiable => not invasive" is self-serving and a non-sequitur and needs to die.

Why do you care that Google's improved one of their ML systems. Are you a competitor to them. It doesn't seem very nice to be against others improving their services.

I have no interest in helping a trillion dollar company beyond the bare minimum to access the services I need. I’d rather they figure out how to improve their services with more ethical (and controllable!) privacy practices.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by throwaway81523 »

charcircuit wrote: post #94
throwaway81523 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the saying goes, it's not paranoia if they really are out to get you.

Hint: For 99.9999% people "they" are not out to get you

If they are out to get everyone and you are part of everyone, then they are out to get you. It's just logic.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by throwaway81523 »

charcircuit wrote: post #93
throwaway81523 wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they have trained an ML system on it, they have acquired and exploited info about your private behaviour even if it is anonymized. So it is an invasion. The trope "not personally identifiable => not invasive" is self-serving and a non-sequitur and needs to die.

Why do you care that Google's improved one of their ML systems. Are you a competitor to them. It doesn't seem very nice to be against others improving their services.

You are changing the subject. If they are observing my private behaviour without my consent, I don't care what they are doing with the info. I want them to stop no matter what they are doing with it.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by speedybird »

charcircuit wrote: post #75
speedybird wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today you've told us to use chrome, trust google, and that spyware is okay if it's "normal in marketing". Do you work for google, or are you full of shit takes today for another reason? You clearly don't get what made people like Firefox in the first place. You are so out of touch, it's painful.

Things are often a lot more boring than what some people who are paranoid about their privacy believe. These people have trouble trusting others not to do the most evil thing possible and the internet would simply not work if everyone was actually anonymous.

The opinion regarding firefox of one who would recommend Chrome is lower than dirt.

Re: Firefox: Dark pattern consent dialog invites users to share their location

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Post by brutal_chaos_ »

kunagi7 wrote: post #12
brutal_chaos_ wrote: post #3

Does a serious alternative to Firefox exist? I mean an alternative that is what Firefox purports to be? I'm ready to make the switch. Been with Mozilla since Pheonix, but the user hostility has become too much.

Well... A few years ago I did the same journey, abandoning Firefox for something else. There's several stable and serious browsers out there. After looking for weeks I created a list of categories... And it depends on what are you willing to sacrifice: Just want a plain browser, without logins, synchronization, without ANY external connections etc: Ungoogled-chromium (Windows, Linux...) and Bromite (Android). Don't c…

I really appreciate your comment. Of that list, Vivaldi seemed like the best option for me (even If proprietary...), but on mobile I noticed page loading lag that happened with Firefox on Android in the early days. So I'm still searching... :/
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