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Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#101

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I've tracked down the "legitimate content" a few times and these are usually trackers, just baked in so deeply they break the content too.

Sure but the point is a browser level adblockers can separate the tracker content from the legitimate content while a network level blocker can either block both or neither.

Yes, but I can't install browser ad blockers on gaming consoles, TVs, and whatever other appliances the internet of shit will produce.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#102

A comparison with Brave would be most welcome.

Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.

I've (M1/16GB MBA) got my usual 40+ tabs open and Brave is only using 536MB of memory. It's rock solid. I use G-Suite/Workplace and everything has been buttery smooth since I turned off Brave's crypto/BAT notifications. I agree that keychain is the only reason I still use Safari for some things (and perfect sync with iPhone), but I lean more on 1Password these days.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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Sure but the point is a browser level adblockers can separate the tracker content from the legitimate content while a network level blocker can either block both or neither.

Yes, but I can't install browser ad blockers on gaming consoles, TVs, and whatever other appliances the internet of shit will produce.

Also other apps.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#105

The one thing that is lacking from Safari is extensions. If this does what I believe then it will be my main browser. Safari adblocking sucks atm.

I'm on Safari, with the occasional testing and account segregations with Chrome. The combination of AdGuard[1] (found via SetApp[2]) and NextDNS[3] works for me well on Safari. 1. https://adguard.com 2. https://setapp.com 3. https://nextdns.io

I use Wipr and nothing else and don't see ads in Safari

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#106

I'd use this if you can remove all the Apple crap features: - All the crap of AI / machine learning to prevent cross-site tracking that's useless to me in "Private Browsing" mode - just give me back control over cookies (manually and through third-party extensions), and keep Apple away from my data. - Remove the crap "Web Advertising: Allow privacy-preserving measurement of ad effectiveness" code from webkit. Keep ad…

Do you understand what "Web Advertising" checkbox does? Like, I'm curious if you've actually read how it works.

And I assume you're aware that "all the crap of AI / ML" is disable-able with a checkbox right?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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The about section says: > Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. > We are also building a privacy-respecting alternative to Google search, currently in private beta. > If you'd like to know more or ge…

> Orion is created by [Vladimir Prelovac][0], a tech entrepreneur with a track record of executing ambitious ideas that go beyond conventional wisdom. Orion was created in 2019, is bootstrapped by the founder and is being built by a world-wide passionate team. I have nothing against that guy, but it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description. Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond…

> it'd be nice to have more than a promotional self-description

Literally linked in the description provided to you: https://vladimir.prelovac.com

This is being spoonfed information.

> Does he have a good individual reputation (e.g like Raymond Hill)?

Better.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

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I’ve never heard of Raymond Hill, so I think it wouldn’t make much of a difference

Raymond Hill created the uBlock ad blocker, and now maintains uBlock Origin ( https://github.com/gorhill )

Why is Raymond Hill not working on uBlock anymore? Why is there uBlock and uBlock Origin?

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#109
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If possible (a.k.a if Apple allows this) please integrate Keychain with this browser. I am not sure if there are many people like me, but I am using Keychain and it is the reason why I default to Safari and using any other browser it takes effort that I am doing, but I really wish Keychain could be integrated in other browsers too. LE: It seems they already support this as stated in their FAQ/"How does Orion store my…

Ditto Firefox. I'd use it a lot more. Right now, only for YouTube. Also, I hope Orion has hooks needed for uBlock. (Preparse hook?) For whatever reason, Safari + 1Blocker doesn't filter YouTube's ads. I'll use fulltime which ever browser that has both keychain and blocks youtube ads.

When you open the browser website you find in the middle photo of HN on orion with uBlock as the only extension (as illustration of extensions support.

Re: Orion is a new WebKit-based browser for Mac

#110

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Pros: * Supports both Chrome and Firefox extensions, vs. Brave supporting Chrome only. * Not so much with the skeezy crypto emphasis. Cons: * Brave has a multi-year head start, and has worked all the kinks out. Sync works, etc. * This is Apple-only. Brave works on every major device. I won’t be leaving Brave anytime soon. But competition is a good thing, and this beta is worth keeping an eye on.

I count Brave's emphasis on crypto as a pro and necessary for our hopefully one day ad-less future. If you block ads without allowing the ability to donate a token you are effectively stealing from site owners and causing the rise of paywalls and other restrictions on the internet.

> you are effectively stealing from site owners

This is "you wouldn't download a car" level argument.

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