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Can't they use a smaller wavelength source? Nothing special about 13nm afaik
13nm is hard enough. ASML seems to have settled on laser-driven tin plasma light source, which is miserably inefficient: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extreme_ultraviolet_lithograph >The required utility resources are significantly larger for EUV compared to 193 nm immersion, even with two exposures using the latter. Hynix reported at the 2009 EUV Symposium that the wall plug efficiency was ~0.02% for EUV, i.e., to g…
Samsung Foundry Forum announcements
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#102Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).
> 3nm is not actually 3nm To be fair, I read the Xnm labelling is pretty much pure marketing at this point - since 45nm; https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node#Meaning_lost
I'm a photonics/optics and I find the Xnm figure really fascinating. It is based on a real metric which is the smallest feature size they can make (roughly the resolution of the lithography process). It is absolutely amazing that we have been able to scale things down to image at that level.
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#103There are a few comments saying that 3nm is a marketing term and that the transistors are actually larger - how is this allowed? Isn't it misleading and deceptive?
Everyone is making excuses, but the simple answer is: yes, it’s misleading and deceptive.
It’s allowed, as many, many, many other bad things in this world are.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
First though, "5nm", "3nm" and so on are just marketing names. There is nothing about "5nm" that makes it "5nm" other than the company in question saying it is. Some things are smaller than 5nm on a given 5nm node, and some are larger. I cannot recall exactly what node this started to be the case (there used to be an actual definition, one for DRAM, one for logic), but it was in the past two decades and got particula…
>but it was in the past two decades and got particularly ridiculous beginning around "28nm" up to now. I wonder if that is some kind of cultural shift that is taking place that started around 2009, or if it's always been like this and I just never noticed. BMW model numbers used to more or less accurately reflect engine sizes, not anymore, it's just numbers now. 2G, 3G, 4G used to mean something, not anymore. I could…
> >but it was in the past two decades and got particularly ridiculous beginning around "28nm" up to now.
> I wonder if that is some kind of cultural shift that is taking place that started around 2009, or if it's always been like this and I just never noticed.
> BMW model numbers used to more or less accurately reflect engine sizes, not anymore, it's just numbers now.
When was that and which number? Just looking at the 7 series (surely you didn't mean that number) the E32 build between 86 and 94 had engine sizes between 3 and 5 liters.
> 2G, 3G, 4G used to mean something, not anymore.
So what did the G mean? AFAIK it was generation, but that's a very vague term. Just look at human generations, people are born continously, so you could have two people who are the same age but technically a generation apart because one had very old parents and the other has very young parents/grandparents are they the same generation?
> I could add a remark about the federal reserve, but... I'll just stay away from that. Don't want to be too edgy/turn this into a political discussion (I just think it's interesting from a cultural perspective).
> It's like we collectively decided that "it's just numbers, man."
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#105Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).
Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…
I feel like this somewhat misses how conglomerates, especially the Japanese and Korean kind work. They're basically a bunch of hardly related corporations in a trench coat. Though you are probably right as far as TVs go, these likely come from closely related units.
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> * Constant badgering by the phone's native notification to sign up for "Samsung Members", a social media platform. No, you can't turn that off. Apple does something similar. Every now and then I get a notification about "try tv+/arcade/music for x months". Or few years back when wallet was launched, daily notifications to add my card.. in a country that doesnt support apple wallet.
Try saying no to the new iCloud terms and conditions. The options are “I agree to everything” or “Keep bugging me until I agree to everything”.
You can at least turn off iCloud entirely on Apple devices. I have never enabled iCloud and I only get these screens when I update the OS to a new version.
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#107Samsung has a dishonorable marketing department. 3nm is not actually 3nm. I'm fed up... OLED is superior so they had to take the path of calling theirs QLED which is actually just an LCD screen with phosphors on top of a blue backlight (and it's nothing new).
Their high-end phones have such dark patterns that I will flat-out not buy Samsung anything. Even if you pay [€$]1000+ for one of their Smart Phones, you can look forward to: * Uninstallable cruft, as if they were a telcom and you were on a contract and had not just handed over a grand * ...like a confusingly-similar-looking competitor to Google Contacts that will upload your info to their servers * GDPR? LOL * A har…
In a world of garbage electronics they’re actually a name I trust on some level. They build pretty decent stuf- with stupid caveats.
My Galaxy Buds Plus are pretty good and have unparalleled battery life - but you can’t use the companion app on Android because it won’t work unless you give it access to your contacts.
My Samsung TV is quite snappy and, besides my model being a special edition that doesn’t come with Bluetooth and them not specifying it anywhere, it’s actually pretty alright. Cold-boots quickly, has a snappy UI, theoretically comes with all the smart features you want ... but it’s full of ads the moment you enable internet access, plus you know the spying allegations. I guess I’ll still have to figure out proper firewall rules.
I’m going to guess that their other appliances are similar. Pretty good hardware, pretty good software underpinnings, just severely held back by some anti-consumer software decisions.
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#108For silicon n00bs like myself, listen to Acquired's recent episode for some context on how hard this area of innovation is https://www.acquired.fm/episodes/tsmc.
Off the back of this episode, I can't help but feel TSMC's monopoly needs disrupting with players like Samsung to contend with Taiwan & China's geopolitical tension.
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I agree calling their display tech QLED is pretty shady, and clearly just intended to confuse people. But I'm glad their high end display tech is not OLED yet, because nobody seems to have solved burn in satisfactorily yet (if you play a lot of games or use them with a PC).
I've been using an LG OLED for 5 years with an HTPC. Lots of gameplay and leaving it on all day with eg a web browser open. I haven't experienced any burn in.
My 3 year old 65” LG OLED is having the red pixels burn out already and it looks horrible. My 85” Samsung looks just as good to me (even better some times because it gets brighter).
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No, that would be Quantum Liquid Crystal Display instead of Quantum (Dot) Light Emitting Didode
Quantum (dot) Liquid Crystal Display is an accurate description of the display technology, unless you think LED backlight is more important than the LCD tech that drives the pixels.
I do. Hence the importance of OLED.