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Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by human » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 8:56 PM UTC

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #67

dmix wrote: post #22

This is some great content marketing by Taloflow. Having not paid attention to this story I didn’t realize they chose R because it was one letter behind S in the alphabet. If Cloudflare was a smaller company they’d probably get sued pretty fast. That has happened for much sillier and vain reasons. But I doubt there’s much to gain via the courts in the current state of things. This seems to be standard price competiti…

Wait until you find out why the giant evil computer is named HAL!

Everyone knows it’s fom « Heuristic Algorithm » ;)

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by dane-pgp » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:13 PM UTC

Buttons840 wrote: post #39

If this trend continues, one day they'll pay me to store my data on their service. Imagine being paid to generate random hashes and store them on the internet. ;)

Presumably that's a clever joke about cryptocurrencies. It took me a while to convince myself that the analogy made sense, and I'm not sure how much I appreciate it, but I suppose that slow confirmation times and questionable value are to be expected when dealing with cryptocurrencies.

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by dmitriid » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:14 PM UTC

moooo99 wrote: post #80

xaerise wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

U.S.A. The land of acronyms...

Trust me, it's not only the U.S. Source: I'm from Germany

y'all have nothing on USSR and Russia.

There's even a small Twitter trend of posting "when you need English to navigate in Moscow". Se. e.g. https://demotos.ru/sites/default/files/caricatures/2019-10-3...

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by floatingatoll » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:16 PM UTC

breakingcups wrote: post #97

datavirtue wrote: post #71

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On Azure you can file a ticket and an engineer will be blowing up your phone in short order. That's on the developer plan. The expensive enterprise planes are the exact same support only faster with a guaranteed SLA. Azure smokes AWS on docs, community, and support. Just my experience...over and over again. I'm at a huge high profile company where we have dedicated AWS staff. We have a dedicated email address at AWS…

Not my experience. We're waiting for them to sort out a broken Azure AD B2C instance for over a year.

B2C sounds a lot like E2C which is close to EC2!

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by Banjo911 » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:23 PM UTC

I need your fedora, your sandals, and your segway.

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by tyingq » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:39 PM UTC

I think they should have rubbed it in with E0 == egress is zero.

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by samhw » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 9:59 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #59

floatingatoll wrote: post #54

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Lucky you! And I've recently had a bad experience with Cloudflare support, but I'm still making my offhand comment, because recently an AWS sales rep told me that the formal support process for one of their enterprise products is, paraphrased, "post to a discussion forum, and if I'm not on vacation, I'll see it and escalate internally to get you support" in as many words. I actually restated it to them to confirm and…

AWS has 24/7 phone/email/chat support on the business and enterprise support plans (with severity-based SLAs) with not only a ticketing system but a case management API, and business hours support on their developer support plan. Your sales rep sounds like they just want to maintain control of the relationship.

Yup, I second this. At a past job we needed support for Kafka, and their tech support's advice was so fantastic that it was actually circulated around the company for general reading. We had an entire team of people who were expert in Kafka - including myself - to the point of having given widely viewed talks etc, and we learned a lot from them. I can't rate it highly enough.

That said, it's famous that there's a very big difference between the different tiers of AWS support. When I say 'tier', I just mean in the sense of how far your query gets escalated, though it's possible that only large clients get to be escalated to the very high tiers. (We were worth billions and spent near enough a million a month, so we were at least a t2.large to them.)

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by kelnos » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 10:00 PM UTC

Dyac wrote: post #86

xaerise wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

U.S.A. The land of acronyms...

Initialisms.

Initialisms are a subset of acronyms; acronym is accurate here.

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by CRConrad » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 10:07 PM UTC

floatingatoll wrote: post #27

dmix wrote: post #22

This is some great content marketing by Taloflow. Having not paid attention to this story I didn’t realize they chose R because it was one letter behind S in the alphabet. If Cloudflare was a smaller company they’d probably get sued pretty fast. That has happened for much sillier and vain reasons. But I doubt there’s much to gain via the courts in the current state of things. This seems to be standard price competiti…

If consumers are so likely to confuse "S3" and "R2" that a court would grant trademark enforcement to S3 over this, then Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the confusion between MX-2 and M3, not to mention the total havoc such a court judgment would wreak upon the SMT labeling industry: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28777350 If Cloudflare had an entire AWS-simulation business and was making a clear ef…

> then Mazda could have successfully sued BMW over the confusion between MX-2 and M3

Assuming you mean the MX-3 (I can't find any reference to such a thing as a Mazda MX-2), it would hopefully have been the other way around -- BMW suing Mazda, since the M3 predates the MX-3 by half a decade:

> M3 models have been produced for every generation of 3 Series since the E30 M3 was introduced in 1986. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_M3

> The Mazda MX-3[4] is a four-seat coupé manufactured and marketed by Mazda, introduced at the Geneva Auto Show in March 1991[5] and marketed for model years 1992–1998. -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazda_MX-3

Re: AWS S3? Cloudflare R2? We think we know what's coming next

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Post by forgot_old_user » Thu, Oct 07, 2021, 10:21 PM UTC

dmix wrote: post #22

This is some great content marketing by Taloflow. Having not paid attention to this story I didn’t realize they chose R because it was one letter behind S in the alphabet. If Cloudflare was a smaller company they’d probably get sued pretty fast. That has happened for much sillier and vain reasons. But I doubt there’s much to gain via the courts in the current state of things. This seems to be standard price competiti…

History rhymes with itself?

"Amazon Web Services reportedly named its cloud database RedShift in order to tweak Oracle"

"RedShift was apparently named very deliberately as a nod to Oracle’ trademark red branding"

https://www.geekwire.com/2018/amazon-web-services-reportedly...