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Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by _ea1k »

andrenth wrote: post #11

Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

I think that would cause them to drop by ~70% over 8 years, at least for normal to high mileage examples. I'm not sure if this is actually any worse than what would be typical for an ICE vehicle, though?

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by jezzzabell »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #48

On the topic of Norwegian oil, a fascinating story of an Iraqi who helped them deal with being an oil-producing nation: https://web.archive.org/web/20100123225932/http://www.ft.com... He was an oil expert who met a Norwegian au-pair in London, they got together, married, had a sick kid so they decided to move to Norway, and because he had the whole day before he could take the train from Oslo to her hometown, he deci…

That was a great read, thanks. I loved that they highlighted the role of a proper regulatory body as a key factor in the success of the oil industry in Norway.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by _3u10 »

TaylorAlexander wrote: post #94
_3u10 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, used EVs depreciate quickly. I'm comparing new Tesla Plaids to the C8 Corvette and due to depreciation its looking like the C8 will be much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. The C8 will drop 30k in 5 years according to C6/C7 data, whereas a Plaid will likely drop 70k. If I spend less than $800 a month on fuel the C8 is cheaper. Currently C8s are appreciating their first year, which is really weird. The Model…

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Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by takk309 »

arghwhat wrote: post #95
takk309 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much oil is needed to produce a single electric vehicle? What I am getting at is we will need oil extraction for a long time. While we can move away from burning it for heat, we still need it for the production of most plastics. This doesn't even begin to touch on oil's use in the extraction process of all the other metals used in car production. We also need oil for road building. I don't see that changing anyti…

Asphalt is itself very energy inefficient, and finding a replacement is rather important. Quoting kurzgesagt, the impact if manufacturing an electric car is equal to just two meters of asphalt road.

On top of that, asphalt is very easy to recycle and is likely the most recycled material on the planet by weight. My original point was that we will still need to extract some oil for a long time into the future.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by anonporridge »

doublesocket wrote: post #93
anonporridge wrote: post #66

It will be interesting if there comes a point where ICE vehicles are such a small minority of all vehicles, that supporting infrastructure (petrol stations, traditional mechanics, oil change services, etc) starts to collapse and disappear. There may still be some infrastructure for special use cases like long haul trucking or industrial vehicles, but it might become untenable for the average consumer to own an ICE ve…

The UK's recent fuel shortages have apparently spurred on EV sales so this seems likely.

This makes me wonder if the Colonial Pipeline cyberattack indirectly led to an acceleration of EV adoption.

All of these events make more and more people recognize the relative weakness and fragility of an oil based civilization compared to an electric one.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by codazoda »

andrenth wrote: post #11

Does anyone have a pointer to studies on the effects of electric vehicles in the used car market? I ask because the lifespan of current batteries seems to be around 8 years (going by manufacturers' warranties), and the battery pack amounts to approximately 30% of the price of the car. So people buying an used electric car will likely face a large maintenance cost after a while.

I’ve seen a stat that most cars only last 10 years in the US. If that’s because we crash or destroy them than the problem is almost non-existent. I own a 25 year old truck but they aren’t very common, so I assume that’s just anecdotal. I’m also not sure if that stat included trucks. I can’t find it to reference it.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by paultnylund »

mfer wrote: post #86
thomasfl wrote: post #14

There's a huge price difference between electric cars and gas fueled cars here in Norway. Gas fueled car buyers have to pay both 25 percent VAT and an additional tax on purchase. Buyers don't have to pay neither of those taxes if they buy an electric car. The singer of the group A-ha, Morten Harket, bought an electrical car in 1989 and refused to pay road tolls and ignored all the subsequent fines. That got a lot of…

How is Norway handling the increased use of the electric grid? I ask because Elon noted the US power grid needed to double output to handle a full is transition

Last I heard, they actually have so much excess power that they're selling it to the UK.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by fdr »

njovin wrote: post #97
ostenning wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meanwhile in Australia: electric cars are getting taxed more to support the aging oil infrastructure

Similar in California and other states. The states typically tax gasoline and since electrics don't use any they are implementing special fees on electric vehicle purchases to make up for lost revenue. One would think that the savings in pollution (not only for the car itself, but the transport of the fuel, pollution from refineries, etc.) would offset any lost revenue from gas taxes. What makes this really nonsensic…

EVs still drive on roads.

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by filoleg »

_3u10 wrote: post #82
mikewave wrote: post #72

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That's mostly because of the lack of midmarket cars. I bought a used sub-$20k electrical car a few months ago; it can be done. The market needs pressure to create cars in that price range; right now EVs are mostly luxury cars. Tesla is not the car we should be aiming for; what we need are things in the class of the E-Golf, Kia Niro, FFE, Fiat 500E etc. that are the size of a Corolla and cost 20k CAD or less. Until th…

Yeah, used EVs depreciate quickly. I'm comparing new Tesla Plaids to the C8 Corvette and due to depreciation its looking like the C8 will be much cheaper, and much more fun to drive. The C8 will drop 30k in 5 years according to C6/C7 data, whereas a Plaid will likely drop 70k. If I spend less than $800 a month on fuel the C8 is cheaper. Currently C8s are appreciating their first year, which is really weird. The Model…

> Yeah, used EVs depreciate quickly.

Yeah, not sure about that. Currently, used Model 3 LR AWD from 2019 with around 10k-20k mileage go for just a few grand cheaper than what I bought it for (new) in 2019[0].

0. https://www.cargurus.com/Cars/l-Used-2019-Tesla-Model-3-Long...

Re: Norway to hit 100% electric vehicle sales by early next year

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Post by WalterBright »

belltaco wrote: post #9
WalterBright wrote: post #5

20% of Norway's GDP comes from pumping oil out of the ground and selling it for others to burn. If they were really green that would stop.

Stopping it would be useless, it'd just increase production from oil wells of other countries. They could invest that money into accelerating green technology.

Gotta start somewhere. After all, Norway switching to all-electric cars also won't make a significant reduction in worldwide CO2.

Sure, other wells will produce more. But at a higher price. Higher prices encourage use of greener alternatives.

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