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Re: ‘Seinfeld’ fans upset that Netflix’s aspect ratio cuts out jokes

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This was the case with Simpsons when it came onto Disney Plus - they took the 4:3 and didn't just blow it to 14:9, but 16:9 -- throwing away a quarter of the original image. There's now an option to show the original aspect ratio, I didn't discover it for a long time though. Amazon prime on my phone blows up 16:9 material too, chopping off the top and bottom to fit the wider aspect ratio, unless you're careful to 'zo…

Another annoying way to 16:9ify The Simpsons is how it was done for broadcast/cable syndication originally. They did some kind of nonlinear scaling where the aspect ratio was unchanged at the center and increased as you moved to the sides.

But why would you want to mangle the picture no matter how you do it?

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First I've heard of it, but that is exactly the sort of thing I'm going for, I'll check it out. I thought I had most of the UCB related stuff, but it goes to show you how much of this stuff will fall through the cracks once we have a generation or two of streamers. My white whale is Viva Variety[0], I've even requested it at some of the private clubs and nobody can find it. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viva_Vari…

https://archive.org/details/viva-variety-s-01e-01

Hey thanks. I never thought to look there as I thought everything they held was past copyright.

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Which really isn't the person you're replying tos problem. Stereo should just work you shouldn't need to get a center channel.

It might very well be his setup that's causing the problem.

Changing my setup might fix it but people watch a LOT of Netflix on stereo setups. Respectfully, this is their problem.

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If I had done directing or camera work during the 4:3 era and saw my work cropped to 16:9, I'd probably be furious. A lot of thought goes into framing a shot just right, making sure it has the right balance and composition. Even in cases where nothing too important goes missing, cropped video just looks really off. Oftentimes you'll see the tops of heads cut off at the top of the frame, or small details just on the v…

As a film major, you give 90s live audience sitcom cinematography too much credit. From a cinematography standpoint directing something like Seinfeld is quite standard. They don't even move the cameras and lights between episodes. The operators are instructed to keep whoever is speaking in the frame. I love Seinfeld to death, but this is no Citizen Kane. We're here for the performances, not for the camera work. Settl…

It sounds to me like you just personally don't care about cinematography. Which is fine, but that makes it surprising to me you open with "I'm a film major", as if that means your view is the "correct" one and everyone else just doesn't know what they're talking about. I'd figure someone who studied film would care about things like this even if we're talking about an ostensibly "bad" TV show.

Really, I don't even care about Seinfeld in particular. I've never watched it and I never will, because it's not my type of show.

But this isn't about Seinfeld, and I'm not personally inconvenienced by this or angry about it. I'm saying this because it's just universally a bad idea to cut 4:3 content into 16:9, regardless of what it is. It could the lowest tier commercial garbage or Twin Peaks or anything in between. You will always make things look awkward, and the viewer will subconsciously notice. This goes even for shows that had poor framing to begin. And of course that's not even touching on the fact that, in this case, it actually just ruined a scene by making the most important part invisible.

And personally, I think it's not up to any individual to say "I consider this work to be unworthy of respect" and start messing around with it and diminishing the experience for the people that do care. Someone else might be deeply invested in something you consider completely unremarkable.

What's more, you'd have to expect that some TV shows will end up getting remastered, then cropped, and then the masters get lost before a proper release is ever done. Again, not talking about Seinfeld in particular, but you'd be amazed at how many modern works become lost media even today, and this sort of thing isn't helping.

Re: ‘Seinfeld’ fans upset that Netflix’s aspect ratio cuts out jokes

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As a film major, you give 90s live audience sitcom cinematography too much credit. From a cinematography standpoint directing something like Seinfeld is quite standard. They don't even move the cameras and lights between episodes. The operators are instructed to keep whoever is speaking in the frame. I love Seinfeld to death, but this is no Citizen Kane. We're here for the performances, not for the camera work. Settl…

It sounds to me like you just personally don't care about cinematography. Which is fine, but that makes it surprising to me you open with "I'm a film major", as if that means your view is the "correct" one and everyone else just doesn't know what they're talking about. I'd figure someone who studied film would care about things like this even if we're talking about an ostensibly "bad" TV show. Really, I don't even ca…

I am sorry if my opinion is not the one you would expect from someone who majored in film.

Secondly, I love cinematography. I also love Seinfeld. But I don't think cinematography is one of the main reasons people love the show.

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It might very well be his setup that's causing the problem.

Changing my setup might fix it but people watch a LOT of Netflix on stereo setups. Respectfully, this is their problem.

It depends on what you mean by "stereo setup". In the extremely common scenario of you having a 5.1 amp with just 2 speakers plugged in, it's your amp that's doing the downmix for you.

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There's a great blog post by David Simon on the conversion of The Wire from 4:3 to 16:9 [1]. It goes into a lot of depth about some of the trade-offs and considerations as well as the lack of communication from HBO. Unfortunately, the video examples don't seem to work anymore. I can't help but wonder if HBO sent YouTube a DMCA takedown for David Simon's clips from the post (or they got taken down automatically). It's…

Also the Buffy remaster, where interestingly they uncropped the footage, showing some of the filming crew, microphones, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZWNGq70Oyo (edit: already posted in this thread, oops: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28737063 )

That's brilliant. That's the way it should be done.

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Also the Buffy remaster, where interestingly they uncropped the footage, showing some of the filming crew, microphones, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZWNGq70Oyo (edit: already posted in this thread, oops: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28737063 )

That's brilliant. That's the way it should be done.

No it's not. This re-release is widely unpopular.

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That's brilliant. That's the way it should be done.

No it's not. This re-release is widely unpopular.

Idk, I'm just thinking about it as a theater kid.

Ignoring random fire alarms and watching the actors on stage is kind of natural to me, it wouldn't bother me watching Buffy.

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