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As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff). When your politicians put random employees and other paid shills in front of committees as proof that they’re being “tough on Facebook,” unders…

Thiel's money is not red btw.

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Unless and until we come up with a different economic model for social media, we'll always have Facebook (or Twitter, or whatever successor toxic social media site comes next). Plenty of people here on HN have argued that the real problem is centralization, and I agree. Take whatever specific issue one might have with FB -- let's say disinformation, for instance. We have all these debates about censorship vs free spe…

You can generalize even further. Acquisition of businesses, consolidating them into behemoths, they are all economically incentivized. Removing just that one aspect could solve many of these other issues, even outside of tech.

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Calls for breaking up companies make great headlines for politicians but let's look at the history and why this was necessary as a solution to antitrust. The textbook case for the Sherman Act was Standard Oil. Built up by Rockefeller in the late 19th century, Standard Oil came to effectively control the extraction, refining, distribution and sale of kerosene (in particular). This is when oil pipelines began, interest…

What about AT&T? This just in: Ex-FB employee says Amazon, not FB, is the problem. ¿Por que no los dos?

AT&T was a government-created monopoly.

https://www.cablefax.com/technology/how-at-amp-t-became-a-mo...

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook thinks it's the company to "fight election meddling"? Is this the same Facebook that meddled in the 2020 US presidential election by suppressing the distribution of a factual news story because the facts were embarrassing to the Biden campaign? What next, is Bill Cosby going to tell us that he's an activist for women's rights?

Here is an alternative take on Bill Cosby’s culpability, it may revert your opinion: https://youtu.be/QQXZ6752EiY

I wonder what your YouTube recommendations look like, could you share a cropped screenshot?

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Unless and until we come up with a different economic model for social media, we'll always have Facebook (or Twitter, or whatever successor toxic social media site comes next). Plenty of people here on HN have argued that the real problem is centralization, and I agree. Take whatever specific issue one might have with FB -- let's say disinformation, for instance. We have all these debates about censorship vs free spe…

> In a world where there were _only_ smaller, more niche social media sites, fears around things like online radicalization would be much less

How so?

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What about AT&T? This just in: Ex-FB employee says Amazon, not FB, is the problem. ¿Por que no los dos?

AT&T was a government-created monopoly. https://www.cablefax.com/technology/how-at-amp-t-became-a-mo...

Regulated monopolies are definitely a thing, and a valid way to protect the interests of consumers. When the regulations that constrained a monopoly from predatory behaviors are removed, as they were before the break-up of AT&T, it's reasonable to get rid of the now no longer regulated monopoly. The alternative to breaking up AT&T would have been to re-impose regulations that protected consumers, but the courts didn't have that power and the legislative and executive branch weren't acting.

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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post #91

Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff). When your politicians put random employees and other paid shills in front of committees as proof that they’re being “tough on Facebook,” unders…

Zuckerberg controls 58% of the voting shares. No one else on the board matters.

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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post #91

Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff). When your politicians put random employees and other paid shills in front of committees as proof that they’re being “tough on Facebook,” unders…

> Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff).

Pro tip: citations, please!

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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post #91

Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff). When your politicians put random employees and other paid shills in front of committees as proof that they’re being “tough on Facebook,” unders…

Zuckerberg controls 58% of the voting shares. No one else on the board matters.

He controls them. He doesn’t own them.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUS275871279920151202

> At Facebook, Zuckerberg’s stake, worth some $45 billion, comes with more than 53 percent of the votes in any shareholder poll, according to company filings. That rises to nearly 60 percent including stock owned by co-founder Dustin Moskovitz, which Zuckerberg usually gets to vote.

Note that there have been share sales since the time of this article (2015), so I would assume that the majority has become even more dependent on others voting his way (I wouldn’t know what the board has granted since then, which is a whole other topic...)

Re: As a whistleblower prepares to speak out, what can be done to rein in Facebook?

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post #91

Pro tip: there’s people other than Mark Zuckerberg who own those super-voting shares in Facebook, who keep his power unchecked. One of them is considered a darling investor in Silicon Valley and pretends to be a voice of social justice (and funds a lot of that sort of stuff). When your politicians put random employees and other paid shills in front of committees as proof that they’re being “tough on Facebook,” unders…

Thiel's money is not red btw.

They’ve got both sides covered. The fact that you only know about one side should tell you that the other side, and where it places its money, might be worth looking into.

You think Thiel and the Trump election was interesting? Go look at the largest donor to Biden’s “Future Forward PAC.”

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