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Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by belorn »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #90
spijdar wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my big pet peeve with people who describe Youtube's demonetization policies as "censorship" and propose Peertube as a replacement. I'm not going to get entangled in the question of what responsibility big social media has and what it should or shouldn't do about giving people platforms, but I will say that if you believe demonetization and being de-prioritized in youtube's discovery algorithms is being deplat…

One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.

If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by zelphirkalt »

belorn wrote: post #101
zelphirkalt wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One way people could start is by uploading content on both, Youtube and a PeerTube instance and mention their PeerTube content in YouTube videos. This way they also create a kind of online backup, in case YouTube's algorithms decide to take them down.

If I am remembering right from linus tech tips, they are not allowed to try get viewers to go to an other platform. The are some ways one can indirect reference other platforms, but videos intended to get people off youtube is basically not allowed.

Oh my, I did not even know that. That's so toxic. Shouldn't that fall under some kind of monopoly law?

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by jcims »

cirenehc wrote: post #96
pacifist wrote: post #81

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Why would you want advertisers? Advertisers are part of the problem.

A significant portion of content creators do it as a full time job. Ads is a stable revenue stream for these content creators. You as a consumer are free to move to any decentralized video platform you like, but the main bottleneck for any significant shift in market share depends on content creators, and ultimately, on advertisers.

How much would I have to pay to replace the revenue that a content creater would get from my eyeball traffic on YouTube? From what I'm reading it's less than a penny per video. I send about $30/mo to Patreon, that's enough for what, 3000 videos? I watch YouTube way too much, but I don't watch it that much.

Realistically I should be aiming to replace Google's revenue for my eyeball traffic, because that covers all of the costs as well. Still seems very doable.

It would be nice if Patreon partnered up with them and handled the transactions.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

#105

Post by iamstupidsimple »

pacifist wrote: post #81
Barrin92 wrote: post #72

I don't understand the economics of this at all. Video distribution is bandwidth heavy. If you're running your own peer tube instance the server costs are surely going to outstrip any revenue you make from it. if users have to carry that load and seed your stuff they'll have to waste their own storage. What is the incentive for anyone to do this? Exacerbated by the fact that the entire thing mostly seems to attract p…

Why would you want advertisers? Advertisers are part of the problem.

You'll have a hard time convincing any creator to cut off a revenue source like ads for ideological reasons.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

#106

Post by amelius »

test542 wrote: post #32

If you want PeerTube to become popular, make it easier for people to upload videos. At the moment it's too confusing and complicated; no content creator cares what "instance" means and they never will. No one who creates an account and finds that "uploads are not allowed on this instance" or encounters some similar problem is going to waste any more time trying to use it. If you leave it the way it is now, it's alway…

See also why PGP failed.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

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Post by kbenson »

ngold wrote: post #51
judge2020 wrote: post #18

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A lot of people see the usefulness of PeerTube but don't move because the creators they watch are on YouTube. It's the same for the creators, though - they can't move off of YouTube entirely, because none of their viewers will go to a PeerTube instance just to watch that one creator. Thus nobody moves to PT unless there are other factors (like extremist creators moving because their videos keep getting removed by YT)…

Only folks that can sustain themselves, like forgotten weapons, are patreon supported. But you would have to create a channel from the beginning to be patreon supported.

It's not that you have to create the channel from the beginning to be Patreon supported, but that you have to be willing to forego the additional YouTube revenue even if Patreon payment s become enough to support you.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

#108

Post by mattl »

Weryj wrote: post #104
mattl wrote: post #99

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It’s literally all over the Peertube homepage

The license of the source code doesn't apply to the content hosted.

I know. But people who cares about the server code care more about such things. I made a copyleft movie and the PeerTube site I put it on went down forever. YouTube and archive.org remain up

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

#109

Post by rnotaro »

echlipse wrote: post #50
yawaramin wrote: post #47

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Worked fine for me with maybe one stutter. Anyway, that's once instance of PT, there are others. E.g. I've never noticed any issues with https://watch.ocaml.org/

Both the videos referenced above worked smoothly for me. I’m on a 30 mbps cable Internet connection.

I guess it depends on the peers.

I have 600 down and it was still choppy on the first load.

Re: Bye YouTube, Hello PeerTube [video]

#110

Post by the_third_wave »

mattl wrote: post #89
zelphirkalt wrote: post #85

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That's the thing: It doesn't have to pay off and it doesn't have to generate revenue. That's not its goal. It is not a business model. If we want good content und independence from YouTube, perhaps it is time to see, that it might cost us a tiny bit of money each month, to uphold our freedom. One rented server can easily support many users, each of those can chip in to finance renting the server. It can be done trans…

How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft? Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup?

> How do we get good content from a platform that is explicitly copyleft?

The same way we get good software from a ´community´ which is explicitly copyleft.

> Will the vast majority of creators use this even as a backup?

The best way to use platforms like Peertube and Odysee is by using it as a primary source, with Youtube and Vimeo essentially playing the role of CDN. Should the censors not like your video for $reasons they can block them 'till they turn ultraviolet but they can not deny anyone access to them. Make sure to advertise your alternative distribution channel(s), use the same channel names and video titles so they can be found through regular web search and you're set [1].

[1] that it, until censorship reaches the network layer

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