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Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#101

I hate how it has now started slipping Hollywood movies into my recommendation feed. All of a sudden i'm seeing the credits on a 2 hour movie after watching a 15 minute UrbanX video. NO YOUTUBE, BAD. If I wanted to watch shitty movies I wouldn't be on YouTube.

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Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#102
I use a bit of CSS to remove the sections of the page that show recommendations while watching a video, and turn off autoplay. I then only ever navigate to my subscriptions page. In general, I try to avoid YouTube recommendations at all costs.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#104

For me, it seems like youtube's recommendation system mostly gets stuck in the local optimum. Once you watch a video from a particular channel, it'll keep on recommending the videos from the same channel for months. Soon, the recommendation just consists of stuff from the channels that have you already viewed. You rarely see new types of recommendations.

I am a huge YouTube addict and get sucked into it a lot. I used to discover all kinds of great channels and really enjoyed it. But lately I have noticed I'm not really finding much and the amount of watching I am doing has gone down a lot. Not sure if they changed the algorithm, or if I've just seen everything I like. I have definitely noticed YouTube is recommending me more clickbaity and mainstream stuff lately.

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#105
For a less serious take, I've been playing a game with Youtube's recommendation system that I want to share. It works like the Wikipedia link game[1][2] but more stochastic, I'd like to think. To play the game:

1. Have a specific video in mind. It mostly comes to me from memory of recommendations past. For example, "Hey I remember Crash Course Film History had an episode on 2001: A Space Odyssey."

2. Now the fun part: NEVER use search to find the video (external search engines too!) directly or indirectly. Rather try to bias the recommendation algorithm until it recommends that video to you again. You can only try to influence the algorithm by watching other recommended videos, liking, or disliking. Recommendations come from the homepage or from the sidebar when you watch other videos; this means you can't start your search by visiting their channel

In this example, maybe I'll try watching more content from Crash Course. I've been watching STEM Crash Course lately so maybe I'll click on the first Crash Course Humanities content that gets recommended. To bias towards movies maybe I'll watch myself some Nerdwriter. Again, note that searching for Crash Course Humanities content is considered cheating. It has to be recommended to you.

It's a race against yourself to get to the video you want.

Obviously, I don't have anything better to do with my time ;). Once I was looking for a video I was extremely sure Tom Scott made. After what's basically a nonsequential brute force search through his channel (again, only through recommendations!), I still couldn't find it. I gave up but I still didn't search, rather I emailed Tom. He replied only to say he's never made such video. This is when I used search; it turned out to be from Vox.

I just wanted to "stick it to Google": if they are going to profile me and my interests, I won't make it too easy. With this game, I'm hoping my interests appear broader than they are to Google.

Have fun.

[1] https://www.thewikigame.com/

[2] https://degreesofwikipedia.com/

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#108
post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like Facebook now does for "boosting" post shares, I wonder when the YT algorithm will start incorporating pay to win mechanics.

It seems like YouTube has realized that winner-takes-all is bad for the health of the platform, and is trying to grow smaller creators. I suspect they won't do this, because they realize that it ultimately strangles growth. Mr. Beast (for example) is already spending about $4MM/month on making videos; if they allowed this kind of stuff, well... not many people could compete. We'll see though!

After I made the post I remembered they already do it. Brands can pay to sponsor existing videos that put them in a good light. These recomendations do have an [Ad] tag, but the extra views and impressions are allow to feed into the algorithm which then doesn't have to maintain the [Ad] tag going forward:

https://support.google.com/google-ads/thread/10007177/using-...

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#109
'low quality' content is ostensibly demoted by this system, which was built on the biases of the developers themselves.

At the very least, YT should recognize that this metric is quite subjective, and given the vast scale of information out there, they simply cannot be the experts.

Sometimes I just dont want any magic, just give it to me.

If I like seeing 'flat earth' videos, then recommend the next best 'flat earth' video, just keep it simple?

Re: On YouTube’s recommendation system

#110

I use, bookmark, and recommend https://www.youtube.com/feed/subscriptions , which is just a reverse chronological feed of videos from channels you subscribe to.

This link is displayed on the homepage from the button labeled "Subscriptions" and is part of the main site-wide hamburger menu. How is it people miss this feature? I have always used it as my main YouTube home page
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