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Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by packetlost »

AustinDev wrote: post #86
seneca wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of your post. One small quibble though: > There's something admirable about the idea that a government would not take away all the guns. The whole point is that the government Can Not take away guns, not that they "would not". Inalienable rights preceed government, they are not granted by it. In fact, the government is supposed to exist to safe guard them. I think that's an important philosophical p…

>The whole point is that the government Can Not take away guns, not that they "would not". Inalienable rights preceed government, they are not granted by it. In fact, the government is supposed to exist to safe guard them. The National Firearms Act would like to have a word it is unconstitutional on it's face despite what the Supreme Court says. 'Shall not be infringed' hasn't been the law of the land since the 1930'…

> thus ending this culture war and forcing the politicians to fix actual problems

You think guns are the core of the culture war? Even if the SCOTUS did make such a ruling, the culture war almost certainly would not end.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by sofixa »

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #99
sofixa wrote: post #96

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> But the U.S. murder rate is not all that remarkable, really The US is at 4.96/100,000 for 2012. For reference, Angola is better at 4.85. Bulgaria and Romania, the poorest countries in the EU, are at 1.3. France is at 1.2. If by not remarkable you mean 3 as bad as other developed countries, sure. The numbers are only for intentional homicide, not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the…

Furthermore, i find US fascination with their theoretical ability to fight their government with small arms adorable and misguided. So did our Deep State as they lost a twenty year fight against the Taliban. Who immediately started seizing the people's guns upon capturing Kabul. not even counting accidents and suicides which are also made worse by the high availability of guns for everyone The suicide statistics from…

> So did our Deep State as they lost a twenty year fight against the Taliban. Who immediately started seizing the people's guns upon capturing Kabul

I sincerely doubt the average first world person has what it takes to sacrifice their comfortable life and go live in caves to resist a tyrannical occupation. And there's no need for them to do that, realistically.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by laverya »

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #95
sharklazer wrote: post #87

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1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. 2. We don’t nuke each other all the ti…

1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. Unless you need to clean it and for th…

> > Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it.

> Unless you need to clean it and for that you can get help if you're ignorant, you don't need this detailed knowledge. You need to only know how to load and safety clear it, ideally know how to clear a jam, and that if you move any safeties to "Fire" it will fire if you pull the trigger.

That is FAR more information than most people have. Even the basic rules of gun safety - never point a gun at something you aren't willing to shoot, treat every firearm as if it's loaded, and keep your booger hook off the bang switch (and outside of the trigger guard entirely) until you're ready to fire - are more than most people know. "How to clear the gun or check the safety" might as well be rocket science.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by AustinDev »

packetlost wrote: post #101
AustinDev wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The whole point is that the government Can Not take away guns, not that they "would not". Inalienable rights preceed government, they are not granted by it. In fact, the government is supposed to exist to safe guard them. The National Firearms Act would like to have a word it is unconstitutional on it's face despite what the Supreme Court says. 'Shall not be infringed' hasn't been the law of the land since the 1930'…

> thus ending this culture war and forcing the politicians to fix actual problems You think guns are the core of the culture war? Even if the SCOTUS did make such a ruling, the culture war almost certainly would not end.

It's been shown that many people would side with democrats on the majority of social issues and vote for them if not for their stance on firearms. If the democrats lost their ability to use that as part of their culture war platform they'd likely gain a ton of people who don't vote or vote R simply to retain their rights.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #83
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #68

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>Firearms are heirlooms in most families, I assume that cheap stuff outnumbers nice stuff by a few orders of magnitude, just like every other consumer facing industry.

Less that you'd think so, there's strict limits to how cheap you can make guns while their still being safe. Heirloom grade guns, though, not so much, nobody is going to treat a Glock as one unless it acquired that through its importance to a family over the years. Like one inexpensive and very worn 1930s .22LR I have that was first owned by my grandfather; still works very well though and doesn't look really bad or…

>there's strict limits to how cheap you can make guns while their still being safe

We are nowhere near that limit.

Handguns are hundred year old technology with few parts requiring good machining tolerances and lend themselves well to being manufactured in the cheapest places on earth.

The fact that a bottom dollar handgun in the may cost as much as a bottom dollar replacement engine for a piece of power equipment that has many more parts, many more features requiring fairly precise machining, requires far more assembly and is many times larger is a testament to the cost of complying with industry regulation.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by bm3719 »

Excellent. There's no reason defensive gun buyers should be demographically different from the general population. It's understandable that gun sales for hunting or other activities might show differences, but we all have the same personal security needs.

Side note: I'm one of the people here with a large collection of firearms. One thing to realize when you see the statistic that the US has more firearms than people is that only a percentage of them are really combat worthy/capable. Most of my collection, for example, are collectable historic pieces, or dedicated target/sporting firearms. Some of these could feasibly be pressed into service if you had absolutely nothing else, but they would be extremely sub-optimal for the task.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by Throwawayaerlei »

laverya wrote: post #103
Throwawayaerlei wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. Unless you need to clean it and for th…

> > Most people don’t even understand how a gun mechanically functions. It lives in the realm of magic for most people, despite being mechanically very simple. This base ignorance of the function of a firearm is one of the biggest reasons why firearm-related accidents happen. You might not want a gun, and fine—that’s your stance—but you should know how it works and how to use it. > Unless you need to clean it and for…

I know a lot of people like to look down on their fellow Americans to the extent they even consider them to be so, but the hardest statistics we have on your concern is fatal gun accidents per year, and they've gone down from 800 to 500, actually 486 for 2019 from the CDC's most recent statistics, as the population has increased by 50%, the number of gun owners has massively increased and the number of guns owned by them has as much as doubled.

The "massive increase" is hard to get numbers for due to our culture war, but no one sane doubts it, and there's obvious reasons for it and the last fact which is on more solid ground, the nationwide sweep of "shall issue" or better concealed carry regimes and then add the "troubles" of the 21st Century starting with 9/11. And how many states went "Constitution Carry," we don't need no stinking licences this year? We're up to 21 total per Wikipedia.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by smoldesu »

sharklazer wrote: post #67
sharklazer wrote: post #65

If it ain’t censorship, I don’t know but this went from front page to page 3 in 5 minutes or less. This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN. Either it was unpopular with the crowd, or the mods. Either way, though, f** manipulated discourse and whoever is instrumentally responsible.

I guess I get systemic downvotes for this.

There's nothing particularly systemic about it, I'd imagine a low-karma, paywalled post with 100 comments gets sandbagged instantly on this site, and the number of downvoted comments in this thread certainly don't help it's case.

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Post by pixxel »

sharklazer wrote: post #65

If it ain’t censorship, I don’t know but this went from front page to page 3 in 5 minutes or less. This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN. Either it was unpopular with the crowd, or the mods. Either way, though, f** manipulated discourse and whoever is instrumentally responsible.

This is why I view HN via RSS. It delivers the top posts even if posts are flagged.

>This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN.

You’re not alone. In fact HN is my last real contact with the mainstream curated internet. I left Twitter etc. some 6-7 years ago. My days here are numbered due to relentless injection of politics.

Re: Women are nearly half of new gun buyers, study finds

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Post by tpush »

sharklazer wrote: post #65

If it ain’t censorship, I don’t know but this went from front page to page 3 in 5 minutes or less. This is why I’m growing more and more discontent with HN. Either it was unpopular with the crowd, or the mods. Either way, though, f** manipulated discourse and whoever is instrumentally responsible.

No conspiracy needed; Any thread with more comments than upvotes gets down-ranked by the flame war detector. Happens all the time, for good reasons.
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