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Post by vkou »

causi wrote: post #34
sersi wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd say there's a clear difference between what they were doing post Deng Xiaoping and what they've been doing since Xi Jinping came to power. It's much more worrying now. I remember 15-20 years ago, my friends in China had hope that eventually it would open up but there's no longer any hope there. The few friends who are still outspoken (and are much much more careful than they used to be) now have no hope of this w…

The difference is a turn in the tide of public opinion. The real battle, the one for the hearts and minds, has been won. Talk to almost any Chinese national who hasn't had a ton of international exposure, like a fresh international student. They either don't care about what the CCP is doing or they fully agree with the justifications.

You've described the view of most nationals of any country about their country's foreign policy.

Remember '03 when two thirds of Americans seemed utterly convinced that Iraq was an existential threat to the security and prosperity of the United States? Or '21, when half of Americans have suddenly remembered that they actually want other people's children to continue fighting a forever war in Afghanistan?

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Post by astrea »

totony wrote: post #97
tablespoon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. I like Orwell, but people schematize real things into his examples too much, especially 1984. It's better to pay attention to the real thing as it is. For instance, I think it's a serious possibility that China will mainly use economic power to expand its empire, by using markets to foster dependency in ways you can't really do if you've swallow…

To be fair, you're describing the USA over the past century

I know you meant this as nothing more than a dig at the US (yawn), but if anything that lends credence to his argument. They've seen the playbook and they're gonna try their hand at it now. If they're successful, then it becomes yet another chapter in the book on the rise and fall of empires that my grandson will write a high school essay on.

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Post by pphysch »

toxik wrote: post #96
pphysch wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For some perspective, this is still nothing compared to what the government of Israel has recently achieved in manipulating the American education system [1]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Amawi_v._Pfluger...

What-aboutism at its finest.

"Whataboutism" remains one of the most self-destructive inventions of Cold War propaganda. Dismissing context because it makes "your side" look hypocritical or undermines a narrative (in this case, "CCP is uniquely evil") is no way to understand geopolitics.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by ishikawa »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

Indeed. And they can manipulate many weaker countries.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by dirtyid »

trompetenaccoun wrote: post #4

What the CCP's been doing over the past couple of months is worrying. I wish there were a nicer explanation but it almost looks like they're preparing for war, or at least increasing confrontation.

> nicer explanation

Xi is seeking 3rd term, he's initiating populist moves to appeal to the masses. That's more or less it on top of some medium/long term strategic shifts to improve self sufficiency (from US) which takes time to unfold.

>preparing for war

That's still 15-30 years away over TW, and by that time PLA will be strong enough to deter a big war with US. PLA is modernizing and preparing for war because that's what competent militaries do. PLA has been incompetent for too long. Keep in mind PRC military budget is still ~2%, if it's preparing for war expect this to double/triple. Plus PRC has been selling off oil reserves to control oil prices. It would be hoarding if preparing for imminent war.

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Post by nebula8804 »

pphysch wrote: post #68
jeswin wrote: post #24

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Indeed. In other CCP news, they forced a Colorado highschool to edit their website to say Taiwan is a province of China. The school complied, so that the kids could attend United Nations Commission on the Status of Women. [1] 1: https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-makes-sure-everyone-write...

For some perspective, this is still nothing compared to what the government of Israel has recently achieved in manipulating the American education system [1]. [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-BDS_laws#Amawi_v._Pfluger...

There is some good news though. Recently Abby Martin won her lawsuit.

From your link:

"Documentary filmmaker Abby Martin was invited to speak at an event at Georgia Southern University on February 28, 2020.[69] She was supposed to be paid $1,000 for her speech. She was asked to sign a pledge to agree not to boycott Israel which she refused to do and her speaking arrangement was subsequently cancelled. She therefore announced on January 10, 2020 that she had filed a free speech lawsuit against the State of Georgia and Georgia Southern University over its anti-BDS law. She was represented by CAIR Legal Defense Fund and the Partnership for Civil Justice Fund.[70][71] On May 24, 2021, the United States District Court for the Northern District of Georgia ruled in Martin's favor, holding that Georgia Southern violated her First Amendment rights."

From what I understand they are now trying to alter the law so that it works around this ruling. These laws appear to be easy to implement but once challenged they are shot down. I think more lawsuits need to occur in each state unfortunately. That way we have clear cut precedence.

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Post by dirtyid »

Retric wrote: post #32
jjoonathan wrote: post #17

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Does Taiwan have nukes?

In theory no, in practice yes. They had an active nuclear weapons program that officially stopped just short of completion in the 1980’s. They also currently have multiple nuclear reactors in the country. So, they have the capacity to have produced nuclear weapons in the past or to produce them in the near future, but if they have any is somewhat unclear. Still, I would expect Shanghai to probably get nuked at some p…

TW nuclear breakout window is long gone. The island is now thoroughly infiltrated by PRC intelligence. There is no opportunity post 90s to secretly start up a nuclear program without getting glassed by PRC first, and with full endorsement from every nuclear power who doesn't want to see nukes proliferate to mid-tier nations.

Re: China uses anti-fraud app to track access to overseas financial news sites

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Post by tablespoon »

totony wrote: post #97
tablespoon wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Basic Orwell 101: Eternal war is a prerequisite for totalitarian rule. I like Orwell, but people schematize real things into his examples too much, especially 1984. It's better to pay attention to the real thing as it is. For instance, I think it's a serious possibility that China will mainly use economic power to expand its empire, by using markets to foster dependency in ways you can't really do if you've swallow…

To be fair, you're describing the USA over the past century

> To be fair, you're describing the USA over the past century

Then the question is: what are your commitments and which empire is closer to them?

Also, it's not exactly the US, since the US has a different underlying ideology, and US's commitment to free markets was successfully exploited by the Chinese in a way I don't think they'll be dumb enough to repeat.

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Post by dillondoyle »

xxpor wrote: post #57
trompetenaccoun wrote: post #16

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You can't take on the entire world with bombs and tanks, the Nazis tried that and failed. The CCP has a smarter strategy, they only use force where everything else fails. Like in Hong Kong, they were never going to get the HKnese on their side because no one knows the CCP oppression better than the people of HK, they've had front row seats for decades watching it all in HD. Same goes for Taiwan. They almost successfu…

"bombs and tanks" means something very very different in 2021 than it did in 1942. You have to remember they barely had V2 rockets in WW2... What actually causes issues for modern armies is relatively low tech guerilla warfare, as we've seen in nearly every war (that any country has engaged in, not just the US) since Vietnam especially, but the hints were there since the second Boer war. Forget even nukes for a secon…

planes too:

I find the lessons of our reliance on air support in the context of Afghanistan an interesting lesson that our military hopefully learns from.

There is some good reporting that reported the total collapse of their army was partially because without the US they couldn't reach their bases or provide support, let alone maintain their planes & helos.

The US brass were even bragging the the Taliban couldn't use even our guns that were left behind since they take so much special maintenance.

What happens to our 'fancy' planes with electronics/software attacks? Do we even have the capability to drop bombs if something like that happens?

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Post by vmception »

cybernautique wrote: post #59
vmception wrote: post #27

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Just one of many plans that now has a decent opportunity presented. China can sometimes seem arbitrary but its much easier to think of it as a theme park than what we respect as governments. At a theme park, run by a corporation, you understand there are rules that can be enforced, your participation is limited and conditional, anything exploitative or erotic will be policed swiftly and heavily, and some exhibits are…

I never thought I'd see an unironic invocation of panem-et-circenses[1], especially with regards to a sinofascist regime. It is extremely incorrect, untoward, and downright harmful to draw parallels between the CCP and, say, Busch Gardens. In a theme park, run by a corporation, I understand that the proprietors of said park will not: drag me to a detention camp; do the same, or worse, for the unfortunate souls who sh…

Think of it more like if the British East India Company ran a theme park, if the analogy is what bothers you. (As that corporation did have those unilateral powers)
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