Job vacancies surge past one million in new record

Post by nicoburns » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:24 PM UTC

thomasz wrote: post #42

CodeGlitch wrote: post #25

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Lorry drivers getting 40% higher pay: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-coventry-warwickshire-... In fact I can see this happening across many industries, and if you are one of those people working minimum wage can only be a good thing? The import of cheap labour does push down the wages of the working class - so the middle/upper classes get to buy cheaper fruit... I believe farmers will have to work with this ne…

It's not like the working class doesn't have to eat. In fact, they will be hit hardest by increasing food prices. > Indication of some degree of food insecurity was reported by 14.2% of the sample and tended to be higher amongst younger age groups, those on lower incomes, and home renters (as opposed to owners). https://academic.oup.com/jpubhealth/advance-article/doi/10.1... I somewhat doubt that we're talking about…

Post by Aunche » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:25 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #39

ndr wrote: post #11

"We advertised locally for 70 fruit-pickers and we had nine applications. On follow-up, only one was still available... in terms of recruiting locally, we failed completely," says Ali Capper, the owner of Stocks Farm in Suckley and chair of British Apples and Pears. At her orchard, harvest has just started. It must be done quickly and requires many pairs of hands. Ali had to turn to specialist recruitment firms and h…

I love how all the elite arguments that immigration doesn't reduce wages (which the working class always thought were complete bullshit) were proved to be complete bullshit during the pandemic-related border closures. Of course, the discussion about what to do about that remains - open borders & keep wages low, or close borders & raise local wages, or close borders & keep wages low & invest in automation - but it's n…

Post by nicoburns » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:25 PM UTC

heurisko wrote: post #38

ndr wrote: post #11

"We advertised locally for 70 fruit-pickers and we had nine applications. On follow-up, only one was still available... in terms of recruiting locally, we failed completely," says Ali Capper, the owner of Stocks Farm in Suckley and chair of British Apples and Pears. At her orchard, harvest has just started. It must be done quickly and requires many pairs of hands. Ali had to turn to specialist recruitment firms and h…

I don't know why they are surprised to receive not many applicants locally, as you can't support yourself in the UK on seasonal work. The growing prosperity of other countries, may also mean you can't rely on the difference in purchasing power to attract seasonal workers from other countries. Which leaves either investing in machinery, or perhaps marketing your job as an "experience" to those who aren't relying on th…

Post by M2Ys4U » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:27 PM UTC

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nly wrote: post #44

Housing is anything from a third to 50% of the average UK earners take home income. Median house price to median income ratios are at historically high levels[0], and rents are now also rising[1] Either wages need to rise or house prices need to fall. [0] If you look at somewhere mundane like Essex the median 'affordability ratio', as measured by the Office of National Statistics ( https://tinyurl.com/x5jatcx8 ), was…

I'd be tackling housing prices. I think wages (in AU, at least) already render many small businesses unviable. Historically in Australia, it's seemed like houses have doubled in price every 10 years. More recently, it's seemed like every 5 years. A house I bought 10 years ago would now be 2.5* that as land value alone. A building I bought has apparently doubled in value in five years.

Post by KptMarchewa » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 12:29 PM UTC

tomp wrote: post #62

mmarq wrote: post #54

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There’s no opposition to gaslight, the vast majority of the population believes the myth of immigration reducing wages, while there’s no evidence of it being true (you are welcome to provide some). This vast majority is not the opposition, but the force that elected the past 3-4 conservative and euro-skeptic governments that gave us the “hostile environment for foreigners”. In the UK, EU nationals earn more than the…

The proof is in the pudding: "we can't find local workers willing to work for these low wages so we'll import them from abroad". A lot of EU immigrants come to London to work in tech/finance because they offer higher wages than pretty much anywhere on the continent (I was one of them). But the working class is pretty far removed from the effect of professional-class immigration. The UK has many other structural probl…