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Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by q1w2 » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 3:40 PM UTC

op00to wrote: post #98

q1w2 wrote: post #79

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I feel like if they tested positive for covid-19 antibodies, that might be a valid exemption - because it's a bit much to require vaccinations for them if we still don't even know that it makes much difference.

How many antibodies are needed? What level? What is the peer reviewed lower limit of antibodies to be safe? Oh? You don’t know? Well then.

Exactly, it's NOT known. ...which is why it's not ethical to require their vaccination in order to work when the benefit to their patients is unknown.

The burden of proof should be on the agency forcing vaccinations upon people to work.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by op00to » Mon, Sep 13, 2021, 4:58 PM UTC

q1w2 wrote: post #101

op00to wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many antibodies are needed? What level? What is the peer reviewed lower limit of antibodies to be safe? Oh? You don’t know? Well then.

Exactly, it's NOT known. ...which is why it's not ethical to require their vaccination in order to work when the benefit to their patients is unknown. The burden of proof should be on the agency forcing vaccinations upon people to work.

But we DO know that vaccines prevent severe illness.

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by roody15 » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 2:54 AM UTC

the_third_wave wrote: post #65

roody15 wrote: post #24

Side story: In the school district where I work all employees are now required to be vaccinated or take a weekly test. Our district hired a nurse to do weekly testing in the district main office to any employees that were not vaccinated. The day before we were to begin testing the state informed us we are not allowed to test on our own premises. Employees must schedule their own covid test on their own time. It also…

> It really seems like plans, expectations, regulations are constantly shifting ….almost like by design to cause systems/organizations to fail. James Lindsay - of the hoax grievance studies [0] fame - talks about this in a lengthy series of netcasts [1] based around Herbert Marcuse's "An essay on liberation" [2]. According to his explanation these irrational and often counterproductive policies are part of an attempt…

Thanks for sharing, very thought provoking. In short yes “ Form your own conclusion as to whether Lindsay is right in seeing Marcuse's take on the future of Marxist ideology reflected in current affairs.”

Re: NY hospital to pause baby deliveries after staffers quit over vaccine mandate

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Post by ghoward » Tue, Sep 14, 2021, 3:30 AM UTC

Gibbon1 wrote: post #95

ghoward wrote: post #94

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No, I'm saying that electing to not take the vaccine means I have to multiply the probabilities of complications from COVID by the chance I'll get COVID, while if I take the vaccine, I multiply the probabilities of complications from the vaccine by 100%.

> I multiply the probabilities of complications from the vaccine by 100%. 0% times 100% is 0%

By that same math, there is 0% chance of complications from COVID.

There is not a 0% chance of complications from vaccines. If you believe that, you need to look at the CDC's own data, as well as data from other countries.