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Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by King-Aaron »

vncecartersknee wrote: post #83
King-Aaron wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is exactly my feeling. Aussies are constantly whinging about extreme first-world problems and are completely apathetic (or willfully ignorant) of what real hardship is. As a result the general population is blindly letting the government erode our rights and are too pre-occupied with their own lives to actually realise what's happening.

"blindly letting the government erode our rights" what else are we supposed to do? how do you stop the government from doing that?

I mean, stop repeatedly voting for blatantly corrupt parties, for one.

The current LNP are so actively corrupt with their corporate interests, religious interests, repeated exposed in-house scandals, etc, yet the majority of the population continue to vote for them because they ignore it all and just keep supporting 'their team'. The Labor government tries to suggest that they're different, and end up with their own dramas of a similar style, but are kind of not as bad. Kind of.

There are other options out there, but we're all lead to believe that only the 'big parties' can form government. Which only remains true due to the self-fulfilling prophecy of people only voting en masse for the big two parties (and the preference system that funnels votes into those parties).

The likelihood of that changing? Low.

The other solution would be to dismantle the corporate media monopoly that glosses over the actual issues the country is facing, but that's probably even less likely to happen.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by fieryskiff11 »

discordance wrote: post #43
okareaman wrote: post #35

It's ironic that a country founded by England with prison convicts who pushed out the indigenous people would eventually choose to create a police state. Edit: Fixed for people who knew what I meant but want to bust my...

Australia was initially populated with Aboriginals, from who the land was stolen by convict settlers.

You say stolen, I say conquered.

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by largbae »

worik wrote: post #92
vncecartersknee wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"blindly letting the government erode our rights" what else are we supposed to do? how do you stop the government from doing that?

Vote. Protest - particularly direct action Challenge them

Is that working? Anywhere?

Re: Australia’s new mass surveillance mandate

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Post by siquick »

mdoms wrote: post #57
siquick wrote: post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

I lived in Australia for 5 years and my sense is that, as harsh as it sounds, Australia needs to go through an extreme hardship to wake up as a nation. Australia has lived true to its moniker as the Lucky Country - at least two full generations of Australians have never witnessed economic hardship or downturn of any kind. Natural disasters pass the nation by (other than wildfires). Even Covid looked like it was going…

100% agree. It's almost like Wall-E was written about Australia in 50 years time.

The irony being that 30% of the population was born outside of Australia with a decent part of that in countries which have experienced recent hard times.

https://www.abs.gov.au/media-centre/media-releases/30-austra...

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Post by carrolldunham »

Every time Australia is mentioned on hn the same two whiners appear to spray about how it's so horrible here because "nobody has any problems" and everything is "too easy and good", which makes them feel some kind of doomsday prepper type indignation. It seems pathological: "These FOOLS are happy as long as they have extreme happiness, wealth, health, peace and general ease. Little do they know their sacred right to convenient encrypted communication is under grave threat".

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Post by King-Aaron »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #80
siquick wrote: post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

If you had to emigrate, what would your top 3 options be?

1. Antarctica

2. The moon

3. Mars

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Post by worik »

mc32 wrote: post #100
worik wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote. Protest - particularly direct action Challenge them

In Australia people are compelled to vote, so the problem looks like the majority having a different take. Not that I agree with their votes, but you can’t say they don’t vote. Ultimately what is one supposed to do in a democracy (never mind Australia for a moment) when you’re just not part of the majority opinion on something?

No easy answer. It is called politics.

The culture helps too. In Australia the "democracy is majority rules" meme (which is a lie) is very strong. Just ask the Australian Indians.

Fun fact: Māori people had the right to vote in Australia from the start, Aboriginal Australians (just how racist are they when there is no word in Australia for the first people?) did not get that right until 1967.

It is a tough fight for the Australians.

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Post by robertwt7 »

mdoms wrote: post #57
siquick wrote: post #37

I've lived in Australia for 10 years and really considering my familys future in this country. We are sleep-walking towards a very average future. An undiversified export economy, out of control house prices, a job-market primarily focused on two cities, a government intent on selling all public assets, very limited political interest in positive climate policies. The latter is simply addressed with "technology will…

I lived in Australia for 5 years and my sense is that, as harsh as it sounds, Australia needs to go through an extreme hardship to wake up as a nation. Australia has lived true to its moniker as the Lucky Country - at least two full generations of Australians have never witnessed economic hardship or downturn of any kind. Natural disasters pass the nation by (other than wildfires). Even Covid looked like it was going…

I've lived here for 6 years and you got it 100%. I feel you mate, feels like their focus has been wrong year after year and it doesn't look like it's getting better at all.
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