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Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

userbinator wrote: post #84
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

I really wish people would stop using the word "modern" in marketing rhetoric as if it was a good thing, because more often than not they're using it and other buzzwords because they don't have any better compelling reasons to convince you to use their product. No, I do not care that the newer version is more "modern", "stylish", "sleek", "clean", or any other number of useless buzzwordy adjectives. Tell me concretel…

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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voidfunc wrote: post #74
walrus01 wrote: post #57

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> Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world It's absolutely not. The amount of things that use the Linux kernel for critical network and infrastructure projects, that are mostly hidden to the public... Or that are built on a foundation of something with a clear Linux heritage. Windows is probably the most visible important piece of software with a GUI.

This is such an incredibly pedantic HN answer. Let's just say they're both insanely important to our continued functioning digital existence. Without working Linux or Windows we are quite fucked.

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Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by ziml77 »

PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/solve-pc-problem...

Nice things are that it doesn't disable the ability of the remote end to see what's happening and that it requires active input from both ends to make the connection so the machine isn't open to a fully remote takeover.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

userbinator wrote: post #92
PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. ...and let's not forget removing color from the active window's titlebar, so it was eye-searingly white like all the others, then reluctantly adding it back as an optional setting in an "update" later. https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/how-to-resto... When stuff like that seems to happen almost regular…

Bleach white minimalism is the thing I lament the most about 21st century design. And, when designers reluctantly put color and contrast back in, they tend to just give you light grays.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by max46 »

phkahler wrote: post #88
cameronh90 wrote: post #26

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Hasn't this behaviour been the case since at least Windows 98? I'd say Windows has improved a lot since then! Remember Active Desktop, the Channel Bar and MSNBC? I may have misgivings about certain things in modern desktops but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge absolutely deliver a better experience for an average user compared to XP, Microsoft Briefcase, Windows Messenger and IE6 - and XP was one of the good ones!

>> but Windows 10, OneDrive, Teams, Edge... My company issued laptop came with all that. After installing some important software (embedded compiler and IDE, wsl, etc) my one drive complained it was full, which needs to be addressed or it will keep complaining. The recommended solution is to upgrade to a paid onedrive with more then 5GB. I didnt know I was using onedrive, so I turned it off. All my important files cr…

>Teams is another one I don't even want to get started on.

At least this one is actively used by most companies (at least outside of IT/devs firms) and they generally find it acceptable.

OneDrive on the other hand... Even when I was an IT consultant, I haven't met a single person who has tried it and didn't absolutely hate it. I have seen employees playing out of pocket for dropbox or gDrive even when OneDrive came for free with the MS Office subscriptions provided by their employer because of how frustrating it was to use and work mysteriously disappeared or got corrupted on a regular basis.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by throwtheacctawy »

marcodiego wrote: post #66
clavicat wrote: post #34

Windows is probably the most important piece of software in the entire world, yet Microsoft does not treat it like the most important piece of software in the entire world. They have no sense of responsibility about foisting this garbage onto billions of users. I've been a lifelong Windows user, but I've come to feel that Windows needs to be completely replaced. We simply cannot trust Microsoft with mission-critical…

Microsoft has no threat on the desktop. Apple has a respectable slice but still small compared to Microsoft. With regard to linux... well, if ME, Vista and 8 couldn't bring it into a good position, I don't know what would.

The Microsoft moat is 3 fold;

- Office (Excel and PowerPoint)

- Active Directory

- legacy Win32 apps

It isn’t that Windows has a desktop competitor, it is just that generations of people are being born with the idea that they never need to go to a desktop platform - period - (to get their work done). Use cases of all sorts have migrated from Windows to non-Windows platforms for a variety of reasons.

Purpose-built OS, low power consumption, environmental requirements (operate in cold/warm temperatures - with utilitarian / industrial designs), easy to manage - Windows computers are just disappearing from the world. The alternative is cheaper to maintain, replace, manage. On the flip side - people are doing just wild things on mobile - like video, photo editing (basic stuff, but not insignificant tasks compared to just 5 or 10 years ago).

Food for thought: 2 years ago; there were over 3 billion android devices in use, and only 900 million Windows devices.

Children today don’t grow up with Windows like most of us did. They grow up with Chromebooks. They grow up with Google Apps like Sheets and Docs - which have frictionless, licenseless experiences.

Windows has no competition with Windows, but no one wants to compete with Windows, and Microsoft doesn’t even want to compete with Windows. It could sarcastically be said that no one in technology is trying to solve problems for Windows, or on Windows. The joke with that statement is everyone would be on macOS or a Linux Distro - and working on those platforms to deliver platform agnostic solutions - focusing on HTML5 and mobile native.

The question often becomes; why Windows? Why not just develop a offering that is platform agnostic?

Long-term, this erodes the value of Windows. Certain jobs will have Windows for the foreseeable future, with no alternative. But the use of Windows will still diminish long term.

There are websites that track (by browser user agent) the OS in use across different cities, states and countries. This data is quite fascinating and amusing. You can see trends very easily. Developed countries generally have higher macOS and iOS market share - with a few countries having 40% of desktop users on macOS (when blended with mobile, macOS market share decreases significantly). Frontier economies have massive Android market share, and overwhelming amount of desktop market share to Windows.

These are wild times. Windows is going nowhere, and when people say that; they mean literally. When one of the latest enhancements to the Windows OS is including support to run Android apps; which to me looks like the white flag being waved. In my lifetime, I would have never thought it was possible for Windows to have a native OS clunky emulator for Android apps.

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by belltaco »

PostThisTooFast wrote: post #27
meibo wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a shame too. Windows 10 is a great modern OS that everyone expected to last and be built upon, but they just had to go and push out a new "modernized" version and fill it up with ads. I wonder what you pay to be in the Windows 10 Pro start menu and if it's really worth selling out their professional userbase.

How is it a "great modern OS?" Internally? Because its UI and user experience are a shitshow. Settings are scattered everywhere. Windows have no toolbars, title bars, or borders to distinguish them from the one they're overlapping. Menu bars are missing. There are access-prohibited shadows of user directories all over the place in Explorer. The color-scheme editor is simply gone. It's still full of peek-a-boo and Eas…

>And my favorite: Microsoft has disabled remote desktop access except in its "pro" version. Gee, Microsoft: Your contention is that a PROFESSIONAL is the most likely customer to need someone else to log in and help him remotely? Retarded.

Before calling someone the hard R word maybe first know about what you're talking about.

https://superuser.com/a/1302011

https://rktechstudio.com/enable-disable-remote-assistance/

Re: Misbehaving Microsoft Teams ad brings down the entire Windows 11 desktop

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Post by kroltan »

marcodiego wrote: post #80
rovr138 wrote: post #77

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That’s a very small, and biased, sample size.

That very same kernel runs on the majority of smartphones, tablets, smart tvs, servers, routers and 100% of the biggest super computers out there. This very same kernel literally flies on Mars. Although my sample size is small it is not biased neither are the referred market segments.

And while Mars and supercomputers are cool and important for society and humanity in general, there is also no denying of the immediate impact that Windows has in most human-interfacing applications.

Supermarket checkouts, public services, small-scale logistics, health, just plain old office workers, and so on.

An undeniably large slice of companies and public sectors that do not have a dedicated IT staff rely on Windows-based computers to organize and operate their activities. Outages to those probably have more direct impact on actual everyday people going about their lives than an outage in a Mars rover or lack of WiFi access.

Just to be clear I'm not playing teams here, *nix-based systems are ridiculously important too, but the open-source base is arguably a more - democratic? healthy? stable? I lack of a better word - development process, and its importance does not lessen the importance of other systems.

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