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Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by zepto »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #64
zepto wrote: post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

> What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. This is not a new phenomenon; it’s been happening for a looooong time. Look at the difference in how white and Black newspapers reported on the Tulsa race massacre [1]: ”More Than Two Hundred White and Colored Men, Women and Children Were Killed in the Bloody or Horribl…

Agreed. It’s not new. What’s new is that it’s obvious to everyone now because of the internet.

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Post by hoffs »

msravi wrote: post #52

> Washington Post media columnist Margaret Sullivan writes that "our goal should go beyond merely putting truthful information in front of the public. We should also do our best to make sure it’s widely accepted." This attitude here, is a source of the problem by itself. If traditional media outlets would just put truthful information out without trying to get it "accepted," that would go a long way in rebuilding tru…

No it wouldn't lol, majority of people when given the facts simply refuse them. You have facts about vaccines working yet how many are still refusing them?

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by seg_lol »

jakelazaroff wrote: post #64
zepto wrote: post #10

> How it works: Media outlets can continue to report reliable facts, but that won't turn the trend around on its own. What's needed is for trusted institutions to visibly embrace the news media. This is an extremely weird and disturbing conclusion. Orwellian even. What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. That’s…

> What’s needed is for news organizations to not only report facts, but stop telling stories in ways that only benefit their own ideological systems. This is not a new phenomenon; it’s been happening for a looooong time. Look at the difference in how white and Black newspapers reported on the Tulsa race massacre [1]: ”More Than Two Hundred White and Colored Men, Women and Children Were Killed in the Bloody or Horribl…

> some

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Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

mikewarot wrote: post #39

Pushing narratives instead of reporting the truth has a corrosive effect on reputation, who knew? ;-) There are many small teams on YouTube and other places that are building up a community of patrons to sponsor their efforts, both in news and other areas. It is through these efforts that I see a replacement for the mass media emerging. Their dedicated non-advertiser driven source of support allows them to take risks…

Do you have examples of these teams please?

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by p1necone »

ur-whale wrote: post #68
p1necone wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace (i.e. journalism).

> I'm not sure how you can have a healthy democracy without an informed populace agree > (i.e. journalism). not the same thing.

This seems like a no true Scotsman kinda thing.

I suspect people who want to "make journalism better" and people who want to "inform the populace with 'not journalism'" are probably talking about the same thing.

(Not that I agree with this article, the "get CEOs to make people trust news" thing is bizarre)

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by laurent92 »

acidburnNSA wrote: post #83

I have been trying to imagine a kind of template for news commentary that could attempt to award productive discourse. I don't think there's an easy way around it being gamed but it's fun to think about. Something like: * Here are several basic facts * Here is our best interpretation of the facts given the context. * here are interpretations that the other side(s) are putting forth, stated in their strongest form suc…

I remember reading a Singapore newspaper and thinking it was the epitome of a one-sided one-party dictatorsh… democracy. After several articles, I noticed what was wrong with it.

Every article was made of the 4 exact parts you quoted, but used in bad faith. Especially “the opposing side, in their strongest argument” all relies on subjective interpretation. Words can always be twisted.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by nverno »

For me, I 'trust' a news source if it is reporting relevant, interesting or useful information - not a bunch of hyped up garbage. I expect every legitimate news source to be factually correct about events- that doesn't make them trustworthy, however.

This article lacks any self-reflection at all. Summary: media good, public bad, trust your ruling elite.

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by helsinkiandrew »

Edelman, which creates the Trust Barometer, is a public relations firm which has a particular view of the world. It would be interesting to see the full list of questions they asked people.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edelman_(firm)#Controversies

I would argue that it's the divisive political environment and style of reporting that Axios does (see below) that creates an "uninformed public" which creates that distrust. Note in places like Finland (where there is more consensus politics and more people read newspapers) media trust has increased https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/finland_has_highest_trust....

"VandeHei said he wanted Axios to be a "mix between The Economist and Twitter"..."Axios's articles are typically brief and matter-of-fact: most are shorter than 300 words and use bullet points so they are easier to scan"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axios_(website)

Re: Media trust hits new low

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Post by robotresearcher »

We have large businesses professing to be news but utterly lacking in commitment to the truth. Channels prepared to lie knowingly, while insisting everyone else is lying.

Even a world where, say, 90% of media is impeccable, but 10% is bullshit, is like a poker game where 10% of the players are shamelessly cheating while loudly telling you the game is rigged. They are correct: they broke the game.

It's really, really hard to compete against shameless cheats and liars.

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