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To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by ddingus »

I am inclined to give his software a go. Very interesting ideas that resonate with my own learning experiences.

This sales model is also interesting and notable:[1]

Older versions of SuperMemo are successively released as freeware.

By purchasing any of these freeware items you get registered in this store and become eligible to instantly upgrade to SuperMemo 17 (see Freeware Upgrade). In the future, you will also be able to upgrade to any SuperMemo at a big discount.

Your cheapest pathway to new SuperMemos is: order SuperMemo 15 Freeware below (or any other collector item) if you like SuperMemo 15, use Freeware Upgrade to get SuperMemo 17 in the future, keep upgrading to new versions of your choice (once registered in this store, you are perpetually eligible)

Well done!

[1] https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by ddingus »

I have noticed another learning dynamic and am curious to read other thoughts and experiences.

Often, I will read about something. Say designing a PCB, or to play an instrument. I will then watch a video, read, and or attempt the task just to get the lay of the land.

At that moment, if I really power through and reach a goal, the learning is useful. I can retain and recall very reasonably.

However, say I attempt and do not reach a goal. Maybe just exploring, or for lack of time. If I remain interested, I will continue to read and or listen to audio, or video or talk to people about it.

On a future attempt not made too far in the future from last visit to the subject matter, many more things seem familiar! My ability to navigate new skills and or recall rules, details is better than I would expect. Sometimes I feel as if it is actually good to do that, let just a little time pass and then I will feel like I want to do it, and maybe that want is my mind having assembled new info seeks expression of it, a use.

Usually, I am overall more effective than I was on the initial attempt despite not being hands on.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by efficax »

harry8 wrote: post #84
efficax wrote: post #34

Years ago, I used Anki to memorize 3000 difficult words and thus get a perfect verbal score on the GRE. Great stuff!

Show us the Anki deck! (Please?)

This was about 10 years ago, so I no longer have it.

Looking through the shared decks this one looks promising: https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1377287053

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by imperistan »

MarkLowenstein wrote: post #48
DennisP wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I play piano and it takes me forever to memorize pieces. Could you describe the details of your scheme?

Well, the first principle is not about spaced repetition but is more about active learning (wrong term?) vs. passive learning. In other words, don't memorize by playing it a bunch and hoping repetition will beget recall. Instead, play from memory as far as you can (in sections as described below), filling in and approximating whatever you can't remember exactly, but trying to recall parts in that section, even if you…

really interesting stuff. I'm working on a tool that helps you play by ear by making you play back increasingly difficult melodies. Adding spaced repetition would probably make it a lot more efficient!

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by kbelder »

cryptica wrote: post #78

The most effective trick for me is simply knowing why I need to remember something. If I don't know its utility value, I won't even be able to recall it an hour later. On the other hand, if I can see the utility, I might be able to remember it decades later after a single exposure. If I'm using a map with GPS on my phone to find my way around a city, I won't be able to recall any of the buildings or landmarks later a…

My wife has tried to explain to me the difference between hand-towels, wash-clothes, dish-towels, face-cloths, and so on, and so on, and... It's not that I don't want to understand; I'd like to help her fold them, put them out, etc. It's just that I'm constitutionally unable to retain that information. I think I can't, at a profound level, generate any interest in learning this, no matter how firmly I have consciously decided I want to.

I can kind of tell the difference between 'towels' and 'rags'.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by LittleFishyChan »

SamBam wrote: post #35
nzeribe wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anki is just a slice of Piotr Wozniak's ideas, and the algorithm it uses isn't as good as that implemented in his own software, SuperMemo. And besides: it doesn't do incremental reading, which is lights-out amazing: https://super-memo.com/supermemo18.html

I'm interested in incremental-reading, but the video he has really doesn't sell it for me [1] It seems like you skim through an article, extract a few facts, and add them to your memorization schedule. Would it really help you summarize the article, or help you synthesize the arguments and follow the logic leading to a conclusion? 1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoQoeK53bP8

Hello! I made a few videos that explain how incremental Reading works:

1 Topics: https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM 2 Incremental Reading core analogy: https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY 3 How Incremental Reading makes micro learning easy: https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s

Spoiler alert: basically incremental reading is like using save states when playing a game with an emulator. As one might save their game state before and after a challenging section in a game, when you find a difficult to understand/explain idea, incremental reading makes it easy to pause and synthesize that idea before moving on. Yes at the end also it’s good to summarize the ideas to yourself and simplify that explanation, and then use SuperMemo to memorize that explanation. Incremental reading is hard to explain why it is so useful, I’ve been using SuperMemo every day for 15 years and I still feel like I am learning new things

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by LittleFishyChan »

muzani wrote: post #65

Spaced repetition actually took off in recent years. But there's another component of SuperMemo that didn't, incremental reading: https://supermemo.guru/wiki/Incremental_reading It seems a lot more effective than spaced repetition, but also a much higher level of commitment and a higher learning curve. It's sort of like using a power tool. I haven't tried it, but this is a good reminder that I should.

Hello! I made a few videos that explain how incremental Reading works: 1 Topics: https://youtu.be/1ZNsn8IL-TM 2 Incremental Reading core analogy: https://youtu.be/Wme2RLm1jWY 3 How Incremental Reading makes micro learning easy: https://youtu.be/piqq1kwYL5s Spoiler alert: basically incremental reading is like using save states when playing a game with an emulator. As one might save their game state before and after a challenging section in a game, when you find a difficult to understand/explain idea, incremental reading makes it easy to pause and synthesize that idea before moving on. At the end also it’s good to summarize the ideas to yourself and simplify that explanation, and then use SuperMemo to memorize that explanation. Incremental reading is hard to explain why it is so useful, I’ve been using SuperMemo every day for 15 years and I still feel like I am learning new things

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by LittleFishyChan »

I’ve been using SuperMemo for 15 years, in fact I just finished up my flashcards for today :) It definitely is useful but it isn’t the grand answer to all of life’s problems. It makes it very easy to remember stuff you want to remember but takes some training when it comes to how to structure desirable knowledge as a simple flashcard. Over the years I’ve rubber handed in how much I use SuperMemo, but the happy medium for me seems to be 1. I usually finish my flashcards first thing in the morning, 2. Get in the habit of “thinking with flashcards” by summarizing ideas into single sentences and 3. I keep an ongoing text document in my Notes app on my phone of information I find that is worth remembering. If SuperMemo had a robust mobile app that synced with the Windows program, it would be ideal. Using my Notes app seems to be the easiest alternative that I’ve found.

Re: To remember everything you learn, surrender to this algorithm (2008)

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Post by tzekid »

LittleFishyChan wrote: post #109

I’ve been using SuperMemo for 15 years, in fact I just finished up my flashcards for today :) It definitely is useful but it isn’t the grand answer to all of life’s problems. It makes it very easy to remember stuff you want to remember but takes some training when it comes to how to structure desirable knowledge as a simple flashcard. Over the years I’ve rubber handed in how much I use SuperMemo, but the happy medium…

Would Anki be an option for you? Been using it for some time and both Desktop and Mobile Apps are great and the anki notes are synced.
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