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Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by dheera »

Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

> will compete with GeForce

> which performs a lot like the GDDR5 version of Nvidia's aging, low-end GeForce GTX 1030

Intel is trying to emulate what NVIDIA did a decade ago. Nobody in the NVIDIA world speaks of GeForce and GTX anymore, RTX is where it's at.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by leeoniya »

pier25 wrote: post #54
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Exactly. There are plenty of people that just want to upgrade an old GPU and anything modern would be a massive improvement. I'm still rocking a 1070 for 1080p/60 gaming and would love to jump to 4K/60 gaming but just can't convince myself to buy a new GPU at current prices.

i wanna get a good Alyx setup to finally try VR, but with the gpu market the way it is, looks like my RX480 4GB will be sticking around for another 5yrs - it's more expensive now than it was 4 yrs ago (used), and even then it was already 2yrs old. batshit crazy; no other way to describe it :(

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by Tostino »

paulmd wrote: post #74
dragontamer wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

ROCm supports Vega, Vega 7nm, and CDNA just fine. The issue is that AMD has split their compute into two categories: * RDNA -- consumer cards. A new ISA with new compilers / everything. I don't think its reasonable to expect AMD's compilers to work on RDNA, when such large changes have been made to the architecture. (32-wide instead of 64-wide. 1024 registers. Etc. etc.) * CDNA -- based off of Vega's ISA. Despite bei…

> ROCm supports Vega, Vega 7nm, and CDNA just fine. yeah, but that's exactly what OP said - Vega is three generations old at this point, and that is the last consumer GPU (apart from VII which is a rebranded compute card) that ROCm supports. On the NVIDIA side, you can run at least basic tensorflow/pytorch/etc on a consumer GPU, and that option is not available on the AMD side, you have to spend $5k to get a GPU that…

I really don't think people appreciate the fact enough that for developers to care to learn about building software for your platform, you need to make it accessible for them to run that software. That means "run on the hardware they will already have". AMD really need to push to get ROCm compiling for RDNA based chips.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by pjmlp »

015a wrote: post #99
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

Yup; three other points I'd add: 1) I hate to say "year of desktop Linux" like every year, but with the Steam Deck release later this year, and Valve's commitment to continue investing and collaborating on Proton to ensure wide-range game support; Linux gaming is going to grow substantially throughout 2022, if only due to the new devices added by Steam Decks. Intel has always had fantastic Linux video driver support.…

Steam will hardly change the 1% status of GNU/Linux desktop.

Many forget that most studios don't bother to port their Android games to GNU/Linux, which are mostly written using the NDK, so plain ISO C and C++, GL, Vulkan, OpenSL,..., yet no GNU/Linux, because the market just isn't there.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by slavik81 »

dragontamer wrote: post #35
byefruit wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately that support is via ROCm, which doesn't support the last three generations (!) of AMD hardware: https://github.com/ROCm/ROCm.github.io/blob/master/hardware....

ROCm supports Vega, Vega 7nm, and CDNA just fine. The issue is that AMD has split their compute into two categories: * RDNA -- consumer cards. A new ISA with new compilers / everything. I don't think its reasonable to expect AMD's compilers to work on RDNA, when such large changes have been made to the architecture. (32-wide instead of 64-wide. 1024 registers. Etc. etc.) * CDNA -- based off of Vega's ISA. Despite bei…

There's unofficial support in the rocm-4.3.0 math-libs for gfx1030 (6800 / 6800 XT / 6900 XT). rocBLAS also includes gfx1010, gfx1011 and gfx1012 (5000 series). If you encounter any bugs in the {roc,hip}{BLAS,SPARSE,SOLVER,FFT} stack with those cards, file GitHub issues on the corresponding project.

I have not seen any problems with those cards in BLAS or SOLVER, though they don't get tested as much as the officially supported cards.

FWIW, I finally managed to buy an RX 6800 XT for my personal rig. I'll be following up on any issues found in the dense linear algebra stack on that card.

I work for AMD on ROCm, but all opinions are my own.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by phone8675309 »

rasz wrote: post #88
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

You would think that. GamersNexus did try Intels finest, and it doesnt look pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe Its below GT1030 with a lot of issues.

The DG1 isn’t designed for gaming, but it is better than integrated graphics.

Re: Intel’s Arc GPUs will compete with GeForce and Radeon in early 2022

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Post by agloeregrets »

rasz wrote: post #88
Exmoor wrote: post #11

As TFA rightly points out, unless something drastically changes in the next ~6mo, Intel is going to launch into the most favorable market situation we've seen in our lifetimes. Previously, the expectation is that they needed to introduce something that was competitive with the top end cards from nVidia and AMD. With basically all GPU's out of stock currently they really just need to introduce something competitive wi…

You would think that. GamersNexus did try Intels finest, and it doesnt look pretty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSseaknEv9Q We Got an Intel GPU: Intel Iris Xe DG1 Video Card Review, Benchmarks, & Architecture https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4U6n-r3_0 Intel GPU A Real Threat: Adobe Premiere, Handbrake, & Production Benchmarks on DG1 Iris Xe Its below GT1030 with a lot of issues.

DG1 isn't remotely related to Arc. For one, it's not even using the same node nor architecture.
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