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U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
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Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
#102I drive a lot across Europe: as in, really a lot, long trip across several countries, several times a year. I drive enough on the highways to know a few scary situations, like the truck driver in a big curve slightly deviating out of his lane and "pushing" me dangerously close to the median strip for example. To me driving requires paying constant attention to the road and being always ready to act swiftly: I just do…
I drive a Tesla and don't use the self-steering feature exactly because of this. What I do instead is enable the warnings from the same software like the ones you describe. That is actually a large gain. I'm already paying attention as I'm driving the car at all times and the software helps me catch things I haven't noticed for some reason. Those features seem really well done as the false positives are not too frequent and just a nuisance but the warnings are often valuable.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
I largely agree with you, but I just wish regulators would start by only allowing these assist programs for people that are already known to be poor drivers. The elderly and convicted drunk drivers, for example. That way we could have the best of both worlds.
Teslas Autopilot system is almost 10X safer than the average human driver already based on the latest 2021 Q1 numbers. https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport
No, it’s not. I guess we’re doomed to see this at-best-misleading-but-really-just-straight-up-lying analysis every time there’s an article about this.
Makes me laugh, especially with the “geeks are immune to marketing” trope that floats around here equally as regularly.
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#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
> As long as the resulting package (flawed self driving system + the average driver) isn't significantly more dangerous than the average unassisted human driver... Shouldn't that compared to "average driver + myriad of modern little safety features" instead of "average unassisted driver"? The one who has the means to drive a Tesla with the "full driving" mode certain has the means to buy, say, a Toyota full of assist…
Why isn’t defeating the self-driving attention controls a crime like reckless driving? Isn’t that the obvious solution?
Gonna be pretty difficult to enforce. Many US states don't even enforce a minimum roadworthiness of cars on the roads.
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Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…
>Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. I really don't think that would give many data points, because all of the instances would be when a human fell asleep or wasn't paying attention.
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Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
#106Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
I largely agree with you, but I just wish regulators would start by only allowing these assist programs for people that are already known to be poor drivers. The elderly and convicted drunk drivers, for example. That way we could have the best of both worlds.
Teslas Autopilot system is almost 10X safer than the average human driver already based on the latest 2021 Q1 numbers. https://www.tesla.com/en_CA/VehicleSafetyReport
Tesla's safety report lacks data and is extremely misleading.
1. Autopilot only works on (or intended to work on) highways. But they are comparing their highway record to all accident records including city driving, where accident rate is far higher than highway driving.
2. They're also comparing with every vehicle in the United States including millions of older vehicles. Modern vehicles are built for higher safety and have a ton of active safety features (emergency braking, collision prevention etc). Older vehicles are much more prone to accidents and that skews the numbers.
The reality is Teslas are no safer than any other vehicles in its class ($40k+). Their safety report is purely marketing spin.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually disagree. (And before you respond, please read my post because it’s not a trivial point.) The fact that an huge formal investigation happened with just a single casualty is proof that it may actually be superior for safety in the long-term (when combined with feedback from regulators and government investigators). One death in conventional vehicles is irrelevant. But because of the high profile of Tesla’s…
Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…
>Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake.
Nothing more annoying then a car that thinks i don't know how to drive (warning beeps etc.).
Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
I actually disagree. (And before you respond, please read my post because it’s not a trivial point.) The fact that an huge formal investigation happened with just a single casualty is proof that it may actually be superior for safety in the long-term (when combined with feedback from regulators and government investigators). One death in conventional vehicles is irrelevant. But because of the high profile of Tesla’s…
Then why not flip the scheme. Instead of have the human as backup to the machine, make the machine backup the human. Let the human do all the driving and have the robot jump in whenever the human makes a mistake. Telemetry can then record all the situations where the human and the machine disagreed. That should provide all the necessary data, with the benefit of the robot perhaps preventing many accidents. Of course…
Nobody is going to buy a car that will randomly make its own decisions, that will pull the wheel from your hands ever time it thinks you are making an illegal lane change.
That's almost exactly what my Honda does. Illegal (no signal) lane change results in a steering wheel shaker (and optional audio alert). And the car, when sensing an abrupt swerve which is interpreted as the vehicle leaving the roadway, attempts to correct that via steering and brake inputs.
But, I agree with your more general point - the human still needs to be primary. My Honda doesn't allow me to remove my hands from the steering wheel for more than a second or two. Tesla should be doing the same, as no current "autopilot" system is truly automatic.
Re: U.S. opens probe into Tesla’s Autopilot over emergency vehicle crashes
#110I drive a lot across Europe: as in, really a lot, long trip across several countries, several times a year. I drive enough on the highways to know a few scary situations, like the truck driver in a big curve slightly deviating out of his lane and "pushing" me dangerously close to the median strip for example. To me driving requires paying constant attention to the road and being always ready to act swiftly: I just do…
Fully automated Self driving cars is either a pipe dream or decades away in which many more people will be killed on the road in the name of technological progress.