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Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

Sounds like your news literacy deficiency is being unable to judge the relative importance of news stories, given your ridiculous examples.

In what way are they ridiculous?

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the idea is great, but I just don't trust the people who will be implementing the idea. They could simply use it to create more bias.

You mean you don't trust teachers? Then take your kids out of schools

Do you support that parents should be able to take the education funding of their kids to whatever accredited schools (or home school) they choose?

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Growing up in Illinois and going to public schools, I have to say this is just making the situation worse. My wife (who went to the same school district) and I both recall situations where politics were in the classroom. I recall in grade school with vivid detail my teacher saying “anyone who voted for bush is an idiot” and kids in the class becoming upset and the teacher doubling down. My entire time at school (thro…

I'll take your anecdote and tell you I never experienced anything like this from teachers in public school in IL.

Conservatives aren't demonized they are just disliked because of their political party affiliation and the actions of their elected representatives. I like conservatives, I would even say I love them, but I think they have moronic brain-dead opinions especially on things like CRT that they don't understand.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

Why is it instilling bias specifically? Is this because it's your team that comes out badly in this example?

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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I feel like they should just teach more statistics. Learn about bias, sampling and significance. > Students reportedly got a lot better at spotting questionable sources. Like that's definitely a step in the right direction, i.e., don't just blindly trust what you see on Insta or FB, but I worry it'll just teach kids to blindly trust mainstream media like the NYTimes, which are not without their own biases.

They should do that. They should also teach about actual journalism and not just information found online. I realize now that I had a great advantage in dating for several years someone who was in the College of Journalism at my University. I learned a great deal about what journalists do and why they do it that way. It gave me a lot of insight about why it's unlikely someone who's invested a lifetime into a career w…

> unlikely someone who's invested a lifetime into a career would intentionally jeopardize all of it by not following the journalistic standards and ethics they had learned and studied for so long

This form of journalism is pretty much dead in America.

Moreover, journalists violate journalistic "ethics" all the time and there is very little risk to your career unless you do something really bad and obvious like plagiarism. Even then, you can often stage a comeback if people like your writing.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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It's pretty simple really- don't trust anything you read online unless you have a good reason to do so. You'll build up sources you trust over time

It's pretty simple, just use your gut? This is hardly the foundation of good education.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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Given the primary example used on the kids, the 2016 election, this seems more about instilling bias under the name "news literacy". Are they going to do a section studying the "coverage" of hunter biden's laptop? Remember, for weeks it was cast as Russian propaganda. What about the origins of covid.. will they discuss how at first the lab leak theory was discarded as "misinformation"? I could not trust a public scho…

If they had any trustworthiness they would also include the media that led to 2/3 of Democrats falsely believing that Russia had tampered with the votes: https://mobile.twitter.com/peterjhasson/status/1064259048902....

They could also look into all the Russia Collusion stories that turned out to be hot air. People’s overreliance on the Steele Dossier would actually be a good example.

Like there’s actually plenty of stuff on both sides to put together a pretty well balanced unit and I think it would be valuable. But you can’t expect partisans with ideological blinders to teach kids how to be objective.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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As an independent voter, I try to pinch my nose and read both parties' propaganda machines, but I just can't stomach it. All I want is facts. edit: We can thank Ronald Reagan for this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

Facts are difficult, because even if you have facts, you might only have some subset of the facts that skews you in a certain way.

Definitely best to read from a lot of different slants.

Re: Illinois Is the First State to Have High Schools Teach News Literacy

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IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all. It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather th…

What basis is there for these claims?

> IMO the most effective and most widely deployed (especially among the supposedly more reputable publications) propaganda tool isn’t outright lies, but rather, selective reporting of cherry-picked facts and omission of others to shape stories into their predefined narratives. TFA doesn’t address that at all.

That doesn't mean it isn't taught. The article can't cover everything taught in the class. So that is unfounded.

> It seems to me that students’ main takeaway from this course would be to trust NPR, NYT and the like, rather than viral content.

What makes you say that's the main takeaway; can you cite something in the article or elsewhere? The only argument behind it is the unfounded claim above.

Are you suggesting people should trust viral content? How should they interact with information about their world and decide what to trust?

> doesn’t help when your “trustworthy” media selection decide to suppress all arguments from another side, or remain silent on certain stories altogether.

That's not my experience. Obviously, news sources have limited resources and time, so they can't report everything nor will they always make good decisions. They also are there to serve readers, and thus should omit information that lacks foundation in truth - I certainly don't want to waste my time on it. They won't be perfect, but the only core 'mainstream' source (e.g., major national publications, the NYT, WSJ, ABC News, etc.) that I've seen systematically show bias is Fox News (however, I don't watch CNN or MSNBC) and a little in the Washington Post, which I notice few people remark on.

In the NY Times, for example, I haven't seen it, despite people repeating ad infinitum that it happens (repetition, I hope they teach, has no correlation with truth). They even have an opinion page with as many conservative writers as anything else, and they are among their most popular columns.

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