So, like the app Dust. I do not think there is a way to turn it off in Dust though.
Default disappearing messages
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Re: Default disappearing messages
#102as the app is open source, isn't it easy for someone to just create a fork that causes the messages to not disappear on the receiver end without the sender having any idea? I'd think a better idea would simply be to accept this as reality, and have a config entry or utility that lets you batch delete messages marked "ephemeral" (or better in this context, "unimportant").
From the article (and this is also common sense):
> This is not for situations where your contact is your adversary — after all, if someone who receives a disappearing message really wants a record of it, they can always use another camera to take a photo of the screen before the message disappears.
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#103We have seen the UK government magically lose phones and supposedly WhatsApp messages where we all presume illegal business was being done that financially benefits those involved. I think we need a blockchain version of messaging the does the opposite and using anything like this for government communication should have mandatory 5 year sentences attached.
Can't imagine a negative second order affect of moving all government discussions to the public /s
TBH, anything that a public official says in representation of the public should be a matter of public record.
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#104Persistent messages seem like the obvious better default. 99.9% of my conversations have no obscene secrets, but a solid 1% have information that might be search-worthy. Hangouts / gChat seemed to get this right - extremely fast search and an "off the record" function for when you can't switch to an ephemeral alternative (usually a phone call). I know HN has a higher proportion of the reasonably-paranoid EFF-loving p…
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#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you remember something in your brain, you have recorded it. Electronic records are only different in scale/capability and guaranteed perfect recall.
The scale and guaranteed perfect recall are not "only" different, they are fundamental differences. I would find it odd if someone were writing down everything I said. I already find it quite strange when I write something (on Signal or similar), and the person responds with a quote-reply of something I said years ago. "But I thought you wanted to visit Moscow?" or even "I'm sure you said you wanted to visit Moscow"…
I have met several people who can tell me "You told me in the afternoon in early february that you wanted to visit Moscow", with me barely remembering it, that the line is blurry.
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#106The max timer is too short. 6 months would be a convenient value - enough time to reference the messages while they might be relevant, but also not floating around forever
I agree, I don't use it for most conversations because 1 month is too short. I'd go for 6 months or even 1 year.
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#107The max timer is too short. 6 months would be a convenient value - enough time to reference the messages while they might be relevant, but also not floating around forever
The discussion for a longer timeframe is here [1]. It seems Moxie doesn't want this [2], and it's disappointing that he doesn't provide any explanation or justification.
I'd like something like 3 months / 13 weeks, but 3, 6 and 12 months seem like good durations.
[1] https://community.signalusers.org/t/longer-timeframe-more-op...
[2] https://github.com/signalapp/Signal-Android/pull/6814#issuec...
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#108Sorry for the confused rant that follow (Hopefully HN will auto-delete it in 42 hours ): The variable duration of the message adds one additional layer of complexity to the already messy game of social communication. It's not like a session at the park or a phone call that once you close it, it's over. I already had trouble understanding the concept of ephemeral message, like you say something to me but expect me to…
Imagine people had the ability to revisit your every single conversations with them. Would your relationships improve or degrade?
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#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Funny, I can't say I've suffered problems from that, and my conversation memory is terrible. Are you sure it's not a matter of attitude, communication style or expectations turning it into a problem for you?
I find it often useful to be able to go back and search through conversations. Even trivial things can become part of a richer back and forth if you can remember + reference them. It helps keep the oblivion of forgetting at bay, which is for me terrifying and really depressing. People who turn on transient messaging, it's their right, and I get it, but it's also hobbling me from doing what I'm quite good at and basic…
"You say you don't want to go out for drinks with me
because you're 'cutting back on alcohol', yet curiously I found in our chat log that you two years ago, almost to the day, said, and I quoute 'Thos cutting back on alcohol are just pussies, I will _never_ [your emphasis not mine] cut back on alcohol, life's just to much fun drunk! =DDDD lol'. So I guess you are lying and just don't want to hang out with me anymore!?! :´( I fucking hate you!"
Like that?
Re: Default disappearing messages
#110I dunno, I think being able to hoard your own data shouldn't be demonized or valorized? Fine with whatever the default is, but I feel like the subtext here is that Signal thinks people's phones are going to be increasingly compromised so this will be a more necessary, and the "remember the passing acoustic conversation" is just a way to put a less depressing spin on that.
The default, if I'm reading the article correctly, is to not disappear messages. What's new is the ability to disappear messages by default for all conversations, instead of having to remember to set it for each conversation. For some people (e.g. journalists) this is exactly what they need, because forgetting to set disappearing before sending a message could be problematic, and I'm glad they added this feature for…
> The default, if I'm reading the article correctly, is to not disappear messages. What's new is the ability to disappear messages by default for all conversations, instead of having to remember to set it for each conversation.
Yeah, that's my read too.
The article's title is confusing and should be changed. I was worried they were going to change the defaults on me, and I was going to have to rush in and reset things.