Amanita muscaria do not have three branches supporting the cap.
Good point.
Also, it is not 6 feet tall.
Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
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Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
I suppose it's realistic in the sense that Christ is depicted as a human as are adam and eve, instead of something else, but there is no presumption that christ actually looked like the way he was drawn.
But by that logic the person seeing your church centuries later could assume there _was_ a dog there, it just wasn’t necessarily a Dalmatian?
Except if they were familiar with christian mythology they would not.
You cannot view the image and then ascertain the mythology without reference to both written documents and traditional culture.
You have to first study the documents and the existing culture and only then interpret the image. I am accusing the author of not having sufficiently studied the cultures traditions or it's written words.
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#103The main problem of this article is that it uses modern cultural and artistic norms to interpret ancient art. Traditional Catholic and Christian iconography was not meant to be accurate, but rather to symbolize meaning. For example, in my church, the priest recently pointed out there is a dog in every single stained glass window depicting scenes of Jesus's life. In particular, the dog is a dalmation. If we were to ap…
"At no point is any of the art intended to be realistic." Well, except that, say, Jesus is supposed to be Jesus. Adam and Eve are supposed to be Adam and Eve. The garden in which Adam and Eve are depicted is supposed to be the Garden of Eden in the Bible. In the various depictions of the Last Supper, Jesus is depicted as having supper with his disciples, and that is supposed to depict exactly that. Jesus is shown as…
Do you actually think people believe Jesus to look like an Italian movie star.
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#104> Eve’s ribs are bold slash marks, as if the artist wanted her to appear almost skeletal. The artist probably wanted to highlight the fact that there are an even number of them, in contrast to Adam's odd number, since the story is that one of his was taken (to make Eve).
Interesting that Adam appears with no ribs at all then.
Everything religious has a reason until you point out why that doesn't make sense, and then the response is, "it's a metaphor, don't take it seriously".
I'm going to extend that pattern to it's logical conclusion and conclude that none of it makes sense and nobody should take any of it seriously.
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#105No.
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#106The main problem of this article is that it uses modern cultural and artistic norms to interpret ancient art. Traditional Catholic and Christian iconography was not meant to be accurate, but rather to symbolize meaning. For example, in my church, the priest recently pointed out there is a dog in every single stained glass window depicting scenes of Jesus's life. In particular, the dog is a dalmation. If we were to ap…
"At no point is any of the art intended to be realistic." Well, except that, say, Jesus is supposed to be Jesus. Adam and Eve are supposed to be Adam and Eve. The garden in which Adam and Eve are depicted is supposed to be the Garden of Eden in the Bible. In the various depictions of the Last Supper, Jesus is depicted as having supper with his disciples, and that is supposed to depict exactly that. Jesus is shown as…
"Realistic art" does not mean "represents something". You can represent things and not be realistic, majority of drawings made by humans are in this category.
Neither adam nor eve could plausibly look like this: https://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvYX... - altrough proportions are roughly right.
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is no contradiction here: Jews (descendants of Judah, son of Jacob=Israel) were living at least 15 centuries before Jesus Christ. Jesus was also a Jew and his first followers were also Jews, later non-Jews (=pegans) joined the "movement"...
Many Christian denominations believe that they are the "true Jews" because they have followed Jesus who was fulfilling scriptural prophecy. Since the divergence, Christians have adopted the books of the New Testament as part of their sacred scripture. Meanwhile, Jews (that is, modern Jews, not the Judeans that have been translated as "Jews") have adopted the books of the Talmud. Saying that one is older than the othe…
Galatians 3:29: "And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
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#108I’ve long been thinking about how things like this are in the Bible: > They sparkled like topaz, and all four looked alike. Each appeared to be made like a wheel intersecting a wheel ... Their rims were high and awesome, and all four rims were full of eyes all around. — Ezekiel 1:15 And I’ve been thinking, that these kinds of things could have their explanation in people having ingested plants or been stung by insect…
Or they experienced an out-of-context problem. Saw something which didn't fit into what they knew. Yes, I really do mean ANCIENT ASTRONAUTS, or something like that. Imagine someone from pre-industrial society. No matter where. And then something is touching down from the heavens above. Like some big fucking rocket. Or some tilt-rotor thingy. Or something with Ion-drive. Unloading a remote controlled all terrain rover…
>Or they experienced an out-of-context problem. Saw something which didn't fit into what they knew.
While I don't think aliens are responsible for the Bible, something along what you've said here is a good explanation for the burning bush Moses saw, even from a believer's perspective. Specifically, before modern times the only common sources of light were the sun and fire. If an ancient person saw something emitting light the only points of reference they would have to compare it to would be the sun, a campfire, a torch, a lamp, or something to that effect. So if light was coming out of a bush they would assume it was on fire, and the fact that it wasn't being consumed would be a reason to marvel at it (like Moses did in Exodus 3).
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many Christian denominations believe that they are the "true Jews" because they have followed Jesus who was fulfilling scriptural prophecy. Since the divergence, Christians have adopted the books of the New Testament as part of their sacred scripture. Meanwhile, Jews (that is, modern Jews, not the Judeans that have been translated as "Jews") have adopted the books of the Talmud. Saying that one is older than the othe…
Galatians 3:29: "And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise."
And just before that: "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus."
Jews were originally God's chosen people, but since the coming of Jesus, which fulfilled their scripture, the rules changed to make the faithful God's chosen instead
Re: Does this medieval fresco show a hallucinogenic mushroom in the Garden of Eden?
#110> Eve’s ribs are bold slash marks, as if the artist wanted her to appear almost skeletal. The artist probably wanted to highlight the fact that there are an even number of them, in contrast to Adam's odd number, since the story is that one of his was taken (to make Eve).
Interesting that Adam appears with no ribs at all then.
I think they were there, just very faded with age. I can faintly see one or two if I zoom in on the picture. But I could be wrong, too.