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US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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still, I see no serious action being taken to tackle the climate crisis. Current governments are just putting some dates by which we’ll stop doing x or y, but in really almost nothing concrete is done to stop the worst scenarios.

Australia had a carbon price a decade ago. It lost that government the next election, the incoming government repealed the carbon price and have retained government since.

Even now, the current government is resisting any policy that could be considered threatening to fossil fuels.

The voting majority of Australians don't give a fuck about climate change action.

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For the first time in my life, I experienced a massive heat wave, torrential rainfall and flooding, a forest fire and hail, all within a single month. I am NOT looking forward to what's coming in a few years.

It's going to be bad. I don't expect to have a conventional retirement like my parents did. By that point, society will not longer be able to support a large cohort of people who just consume and don't contribute. I don't understand how anyone can still justify having children, knowing how they will suffer as a result of what we have done to the planet.

Furthermore, having children is the individual decision that increases CO2 emissions the most.

If you decided to have children, you should keep that in mind before criticizing others for driving a car.

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That's what happens when politicians are in charge for 4 to ~10 years. They all vote for deadlines in 2025 - 2030 - 2040, which, on their timeline, means "never" Most politicians are more concerned about their carrier and personal gains than their country, let alone the world.

So then a lifetime dictator should have a very green awesome success record? Well, I don't know of any data to support that assumption. Also, most politicians are indeed concerned about their heritage in the history books, so they have motivations to do something beyond their office time. But what should they do? There is not really a broad concensus on how to transform the whole worlds industry into CO2 free. Becaus…

I believe it's an unsolvable problem, too many variables, too many incompatibles interests/goals. Humans aren't made to solve world wide / very long term issues. The covid pandemic showed we're not able to handle any kind of global stress collectively.

We're apes trying to live like ants, but we lack the organisation and selflessness. We'll do what we do best, wait until we have our backs against the wall and find some half assed solution, it's going to be a free for all until some kind of reset event happens.

It feels like we're at the beginning of one of these Hollywood "end of the world" movies in which you can see TVs in the background of early scenes showing crazy reports about climatic/social/war events while the heroes are focused on their meaningless daily struggles.

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It's a really hard pill to swallow. It will require expenses and sacrifices far beyond those that covid required, and for far longer. I have zero hope of it happening. People won't stop driving, flying or eating meat. They won't even drive smaller cars. As I understand it, that would just be the start. Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage.

> Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage. Amidst the chaos, humanity has been able develop a wide range of therapeutics and public healthcare prevention protocols, research and deploy vaccines at global scale in under a year, all while avoiding total economic collapse. What outcome would've given you hope in humans' ability to solve complex and chaotic crises?

Sure, if a technological solution like a vaccine gets developed I'd be optimistic (cold fusion?). But I currently estimate the probability of that really low.

What made me pessimistic about climate change w.r.t. COVID-19 was that most countries only did something once the population was sufficiently affected, even when the consequences of doing nothing were perfectly clear and immediate. W.r.t. climate change most countries won't be affected much or it will be hard to attribute to climate change and the consequences will be hard to predict and delayed.

COVID-19 was the easiest case of a global tragedy of the commons problem and we failed w.r.t. to a globally coordinated solution. Climate change is much harder. Doesn't give me much cause for optimism.

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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It's a really hard pill to swallow. It will require expenses and sacrifices far beyond those that covid required, and for far longer. I have zero hope of it happening. People won't stop driving, flying or eating meat. They won't even drive smaller cars. As I understand it, that would just be the start. Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage.

> Looking at how we handled the pandemic, I don't think we'll manage. Amidst the chaos, humanity has been able develop a wide range of therapeutics and public healthcare prevention protocols, research and deploy vaccines at global scale in under a year, all while avoiding total economic collapse. What outcome would've given you hope in humans' ability to solve complex and chaotic crises?

The pandemic showed us making and using a silver bullet in record time - when a silver bullet is possible.

But the pandemic also showed us a large % of the American population are reluctant to make even minor, temporary sacrifices to protect their country. And that a decent fraction of American political leadership are happy to close their eyes to factual reality.

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How is it that green user names always are climate-drift negationists? Should they not be red instead?

Tells you a lot of how they stand by their values

No, it doesn't. It happens because HN shadowbans people who have the wrong opinions. dang and whoever else would say that's not true, but it's tough to debate, because the evidence is conveniently hidden by being unjustly flagged. It's tough to point to a comment and argue that every statement in it is indisputably true, relevant, and polite, when it's been hidden from everyone by some anonymous user without explanation or justification.

This kind echo chamber maintenance goes on day after day, while HN delusionally prides itself on curiosity, civility, etc.

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Whether that is true depends on your sense of scale. After we move to zero emissions, it will take only a couple of decades before CO2 will start to drop again, as the biosphere starts absorbing the greenhouse gases. There's some latency in temperature, much more in sealevel rise, but generally it isn't as bad as frequently depicted. I only learned this recently, I used to think we are unavoidably messed up for centu…

The EU ‘proposes to raise the EU's ambition on reducing greenhouse gas emissions to at least 55% below 1990 levels by 2030’. At the moment that part of the world is the most ambitious part. > after we move to zero emissions I wonder if that will happen on a planet scale even in your sons lifetime

Last night, I watched NGC's "Before the flood". At one point, a director for a local climate action institute in India was interviewed by Leo DiCaprio.

She pretty much pointed out that climate change is a social issue in no uncertain terms:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia5fMomBXbE

As an EU citizen, I applaud the ambitions, but I feel apprehensive at the same time. Regardless how you spin this, affordability is an absolute requirement.

For instance, on the consumer side of things, you see this concern expressed by the 'gilets jaunes' movement who were initially road users (commuters, truckers,...) protesting rising fuel prices as those add to the cost of living (whether real or perceived). Low income households can't afford to buy a new fuel efficient or electric car; or renovate their home to be more energy efficient (solar, isolation,...); or even buy groceries with a minimal carbon footprint (cheap food prices translate into externalized costs e.g. meat industry + availability / convenience).

Like, over the past few years, several cities have enacted a localized carbon levy for anyone who wants to drive into their city centers. While I'm a proponent of the idea, the net result is that visiting family by car has now become an expensive proposition. Public transport is a partial alternative, but it just doesn't offer the same availability / convenience as a personal vehicle.

A concern here is that this levy targets vehicle classes whose emissions are above an established norm. Turns out that a sizable proportion of low income class families living in those cities who find themselves owning a car they can't afford to drive anymore. This was explicitly raised as a policy concern in a parliamentary hearing in late 2020.

That's just one concrete example of why climate change is a social issue.

The problem raised by the Indian director in the documentary is rooted in the exact same challenge: finding balance between enabling 8 billion people to attain a sustainable, modern living standard while at the same time reducing humanity's reliance on fossil fuels.

One also has to understand that in order to attain Western living standards, "the rest of the world" is very much on a trajectory on par with historic social and economic dynamics and changes seen in America and Europe from the late 19th century hence. India and China together constitute about 35% of the global population. As the Indian director rightly questions: How can the West hold a moral high ground at this point in time while not having taken any notable affirmative action over the past 40 years to curb the impact of its own way of living profoundly?

Barring any finger pointing towards who does what, the filmmakers also interview the then-mayor of Miami Beach who first-hand faces the consequences of rising sea levels whilst being confronted with party politics. All he can do is install 400 million dollars worth of pumps just to keep his constituency's feet dry for the next 40 to 50 years.

He simply ends up stolidly remarking: "The ocean isn't Democratic or Republican. It just keeps rising."

Re: US set for punishing temperatures as ‘heat dome’ to settle over country

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This article seems to need a reality check.

If you look at current weather forecasts for the places mentioned (e.g. the capitals of Missouri, Arkansas, Oklahoma), the highest forecast temperature for the next 10 days is 100 F / 38 C, far from the mentioned 110 F / 43 C.

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