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iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by lostgame »

foxpurple wrote: post #59
devwastaken wrote: post #44

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If macbooks were gone tomorrow, the ipad would not replace it. Very different use cases. Sure, if you took an ipad, put OSX on it, and glued it to the hinges of a macbook as the screen - then maybe it'd be very similiar. Not great performance or battery life, but similiar. But in no way am I getting work done on an ipad touchscreen with a little flimsy foldable keyboard and kickstand.

This is outdated info. The latest iPad Pro has the M1 chip, exactly the same as the MacBook. And it comes in 8/16gb ram. The magic keyboard accessory apple sells for the iPad also turns it in to the same form factor as a laptop. You very realistically could replace a MacBook with an iPad Pro and magic keyboard if apple let people run macOS on it.

Quite literally if an iPad Pro ran MacOS there is absolutely no reason why this couldn’t be the case.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

southerntofu wrote: post #85
opheliate wrote: post #12

When I was younger, my family couldn’t afford a laptop, but I have the distinct memory of wanting to learn to code on the iPads at my school, and being unable to find any app which would let me just write and execute programs. Looking around the App Store now, there do seem to be a couple of apps which would allow this, but it’s still really disappointing to see this kind of removal. The majority of kids these days w…

Apple, like most corporations, is happy to entertain passive consumers. After all, empowering people to learn new things about computers could lead to healthy competition, and that's definitely not something we want, or is it?!

Well, Apple needs a pool of talented developers to build apps on their platform. And to hire from.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by handrous »

colonwqbang wrote: post #72
paulryanrogers wrote: post #20

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This assumes that users understand the implications of the garden they're buying into. For many there may be a strong bandwagon effect, and they don't fully grasp what they are losing.

What I don't understand is why so many devs choose to accept Apple's rules. These devs know full well that they will likely be f***** over like this in the end. Yet they still give Apple their business.

Much higher rate of sales (apps and IAP) and subscriptions than Android. Not sure how the ad market looks (I've not worked on ad-supported apps) but wouldn't be surprised if those—at least in some categories—also pay so much higher that they're more lucrative on iOS, too, despite the smaller user-base.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by vzaliva »

People using iPhones are consenting to Apple deciding what programs they are allowed to run. It may be OK for some people, but not for me. I feel the MacOS is moving int the same direction.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by tinus_hn »

yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

The target audience for iOS devices does not care about running dos emulators with their custom binaries. Believe it or not, many people are okay with boundaries, especially when the promised and mostly achieved return is a reasonably stable and secure experience.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by dvhh »

prirai wrote: post #37
yoavm wrote: post #7

Honest question - what do iOS users do in such situations? I'm using Android and we can always install things from outside the store, or even from alternative stores (eg. F-Droid). Is there any similar solution? If the app is open-source, can you at least build it yourself and sideload it as if you are the developer and you're testing your app? What solutions are there?

Termux

Apparently they also are suffering from limitations with latest andoid version

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by emteycz »

swiley wrote: post #99
Joeri wrote: post #11

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iOS users have mostly chosen to accept the walled garden. If they hadn’t, they would be android users.

Nope. Some of them are children. Some need or prefer Apple's locked in stuff (iMessage.) Not to mention Android is a slow burning trash fire. I've seen so many ignorant comments like this about iOS lately I'm on the fence about deleting my HN account. I think I'd be happier, and all the people here who keep defending Apple's abuse would be happier.

Android is a perfectly usable platform. Your comment is just as ignorant as these you criticize.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by izabera »

Their handling of this situation was not great, and I'm sorry for the author, but I was pleasantly surprised to see them explicitly point out exactly which rules where violated. What a stark contrast with the usual HN posts about apps being removed from the Play Store for vague reasons with little to no explanation. Google has a lot to learn.

Re: iDOS 2 will be gone soon

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Post by user-the-name »

salamandersauce wrote: post #80
user-the-name wrote: post #73

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That is just not true, though. If Apple allowed different stores, then software would migrate to those different stores for various reasons, but probably because they had less restrictions. That would force you to install those less secure stores to use that software, and you would give up the security you gain from Apple taking a hard line on many kinds of bad behaviour on their own store.

But that software is clearly stuff you don't want and aren't interested in since it breaks Apple's restrictions so what's the problem? Just learn to live without it just like you've learned to live without emulators, IDEs, etc. in the App Store already. Users that want the choice can choose. Devs that want the choice can choose. You can stay in your walled garden. And considering the uptake of alternate app stores on…

Whether software offers something I want and whether software does shady things behind the scenes are often completely separate things. If it were allowed, I am sure a lot of the apps I use today would do shadier things. But it's not allowed, so they can't.

If they had the option of going to a less restrictive store, they probably would, and they would do things I am not happy with there. That would be a loss for me.

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