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Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by baron_harkonnen »

trident5000 wrote: post #45
cracker_jacks wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the difficulty of increasing supply has directly led to increased home prices.

Theres no supply because investors are hoarding them. Blackrock is buying out entire neighborhoods and thats really the tip of the iceberg compared to airbnb listings.

If you look at the data on home ownership rates[0], which is the percent of homes owned by their occupant, the number did take a big drop after spiking up due to the pandemic, but still remains higher than it has for most of US history since the 1960s.

I've seen this black rock conspiracy posted elsewhere, and while it makes for a compelling dystopian narrative that large corporations are secretly buying all our homes to lease back to us, the reality is just not true.

People are leaving expensive urban housing in droves and competing for what seem like relatively cheap houses to them, so they are comfortable bidding wildly (I know many, many real people in this situation). I'm sure Black Rock wants in on the action, but until that rate falls dramatically lower, I'm not particularly convinced that that's what's happening.

0. https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/RHORUSQ156N

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by dontbeabill »

in hawaii, 30 day minimum are REQUIRED. my friend has a unit and asked airbnb how to “enforce the 30 day minimum which is law”.

Airbnb support said there is no way for them to enforce this and just ignore it and rent anyway.

Ie, they KNOW the local laws and either ignore them, or sue the small cities with no legal budget.

Airbnb/VRBO ruin every good neighborhood that exists.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by dorchadas »

bostonsre wrote: post #98
dorchadas wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What do you see as the differences between airbnb and this? Not OP, but I share a similar view. If you're renting out a room of an ADU, you're still occupying the property and using it as housing yourself. The whole difference is that the sole use of the property is not taking it off the long term rental/buying market. With spare rooms/ADUs, that's not the purpose of the property, whereas with renting out a whole h…

Don't some listings on airbnb do the exact same thing? Would those be ok from airbnb if they stopped the other types? Is the only difference having a landlord on site?

I absolutely would be more accepting of it if they only allowed ones where the landlord was on-site, yes.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by paxys »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #89

I'm really hoping that at some point a "conscientious" airbnb competitor would appear. Maybe something implementing a few basic (naive?) rules: 1. A property cannot be listed for more than 120 days a year.' 2. One cannot list more than 2 properties. So limiting to people that aren't actually making a business out of bnb's.

This won't happen because the natural evolution of every such company is to facilitate professionals and businesses, since that is where the money is.

Uber & Lyft started off by saying they aren't meant for professional drivers, just folks looking to "rideshare" in their free time.

Etsy was for creative people sitting at home making some crafts as a hobby.

Airbnb was for people who wanted to make some extra money by renting out a couch or spare room in their house for the night.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by conradev »

thereisnospork wrote: post #96
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Airbnb should be a boon to the local economy. Tourists with money to spend at local businesses is literally the basis of the entire economy for multiple regions around the world. It's only a 'problem' because our local governments have perverted the housing market (and hotel market) with a Gordian knot's worth of regulation and red tape. How is it that we as a society are so dysfunctional as to be unable to build con…

If tourism is the basis of the entire economy for a given region, then that region usually has plenty of legal short-term accommodation options. Not to mention that these options are usually cheaper than Airbnb!

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by dorchadas »

mupuff1234 wrote: post #89

I'm really hoping that at some point a "conscientious" airbnb competitor would appear. Maybe something implementing a few basic (naive?) rules: 1. A property cannot be listed for more than 120 days a year.' 2. One cannot list more than 2 properties. So limiting to people that aren't actually making a business out of bnb's.

Hell, to satisfy me all they'd have to do is prove it's an actual BnB-type experience. Basically, prove the host lives on the property and it's either extra bedroom(s) or an ADU.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by intricatedetail »

cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Exactly. The whole concept of residential property as an investment must go. I wonder if enough AirBnB in the area could actually drive property cost down, because nobody would like to live there long term and then essentially wiping off all the profits people made by renting out. In the end only the AirBnB would really profit. It's a business model clearly bases on a loophole and should be closed. If someone wants to run a bed and breakfast they should get a suitable commercial property.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by eganist »

JMTQp8lwXL wrote: post #70
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

Twice I've booked airbnb's in buildings where it was not allowed, and I didn't find out until picking up the keys. It's incredibly frustrating (one of building had concierge who gave us hard time). Next time, I'll just go with a traditional hotel to avoid the stress. Both times, I saw other groups of people with luggage coming in and out. So it likely was impacting multiple units in both buildings.

In fairness, the stress shouldn't be yours to sweat. If someone loses their rental to anti short-term leasing rules, that's really on the renter who's subletting it out to you via Airbnb.

Re: Airbnb raises violent crime rates in cities as residents are pushed out

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Post by conradev »

bostonsre wrote: post #84
cletus wrote: post #33

A common quote on HN (and one that I firmly believe in) is: > It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it. This so applies to AirBnB. It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. I'…

> It's not salary per se but those that benefit by renting out units or those for whom this has saved them money I've found typically get so defensive about AirBnB to the point of calling detractors NIMBYists and the like. Isn't the other side of the argument also concerned with housing prices and money? > To be clear, I don't have a problem with people renting out rooms or an ADU on their property. What do you see a…

The blurry line you are referencing is actually quite clear legally: is the accommodation short-term or not? (defined by the regulatory environment)

Wherein Airbnb stays are usually short-term and renting out an ADU is usually longer term

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