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Why We Do Pushups

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Re: Why We Do Pushups

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I'm horrified. This has very high potential to be harmful. The defacto nerd position is seated and hunched. Developing the pectorals will only exacerbate this. If you want to engage in group exercise, find a routine which is more balanced, or at least balanced against what you do the rest of the day. Just do some calisthenics and stretch out those tight chests.

You're kidding, right?

No response? Just downvotes? Neat trick.

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If you don't run much I highly suggest spending two months running _before_ running in Vibram Five-Fingers. And when you do get them, run on grass or dirt. They're the only shoes I wear running and I can do a fast paced 45 minute trail run in them and feel amazing, but even 15-20 minutes on concrete can cause pain.

I'm going to agree here. It's a good idea to go to a running shoe store and run on a treadmill with a variety of shoes. I only discovered this after injuring myself with shoes that weren't supportive enough (a neutral cushioning shoe). Now I have to stop running for two months and go to physical therapy twice a week. If I had gotten the right shoes in the first place, I could be running now. Don't get "barefoot" shoe…

I ran a marathon in my VFFs and I've bene running for a year. I was hurting afterwards but definitely survived. In fact, the VFFs allowed me to start running again. Before them, I would run 1-2 miles and have massive knee pain and shin splints.

VFFs are awesome, but take your time, get used to them and stretch a lot. They're worth it.

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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"team building" is like an arranged marriage - either you have a team or you don't, trying to force it doesn't yield any results and usually it's just an euphemism for being forced to do stupid things, most often to get drunk with everyone or "you are not being a team player". I would feel rather silly doing push-ups at work, especially at the command of my "team leader". Maybe people with more submissive personaliti…

Team building just makes me shudder. A bad experience with a job I had in Korea made me almost swear off drinking entirely because I came to associate it with hwaeshik where I'd drink with obnoxious seniors while having to ward off their passive-aggressive male dominance bullshit. It was partly my own fault for setting expectations the wrong way. My friend who hired me and was the team's other foreigner just refused…

"Feeling stupid" isn't necessarily a good metric for determining whether or not something is worthwhile doing. Lots of people doing something "stupid" end up being incredibly successful.

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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That's not what "hostile work environment" means. Mandatory pushups are one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of, but I assume you are not going to be fired if you don't do them. When everyone starts doing pushups, go out for a quick run, or something.

Depending on the situation, you could have a hostile work environment[0]. Take a guy who is over weight and weak, make him feel uncomfortable about not being "good enough" to do the push ups, add "good natured" ribbing from co-workers that goes on day after day and subtle "anti-team" vibe because the rest of the team is pushing up together. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. Something to watch for but not something to stress…

Conduct which creates a hostile work environment is illegal only if it is based upon the employee’s protected status as a member of a protected class. In other words, not all harassing behavior breaks the law. It is not discrimination if one employee is rude to another employee just because they have had an argument.

http://www.eeo.wv.gov/Pages/FAQ.aspx

In most states fat people are not a protected class. So mocking the weaklings and chubbies who can't do pushups is probably still legal.

http://public.getlegal.com/articles/obesity-discrimination

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Arranged marriages are remarkably successful. People are really good at falling in love given the right context clues. Similarly, team-building exercises can be stunningly effective. The military takes a couple months to make you willing to sacrifice your life for a group of what were recently strangers.

I'm not sure by what is your criteria for arranged marriages being successful. Is it because there are less divorces? The reason for that is probably because divorces are extremely taboo or illegal in the places that have have arranged marriages. As for the sacrificing in the military. Some of that has to do with the kind of people that want to join the military (a very small portion of the US population). Also from…

It seems that an easy team building process is to just identify an out-group. Make an "us" vs "them" scenario. That kind of stuff appeals to the primitive part of the brain and is quite effective.

Improperly defining that can be dangerous. It can create too much adversity in the workplace where teams spend more energy thinking how to beat the other team vs how to improve the product (sometimes the two goals are not equivalent).

I guess it is a bit safer to identify the competitors as "them" but in a niche market people always jump ship and all the negative attitudes and comments end up finally being exposed.

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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Arranged marriages are remarkably successful. People are really good at falling in love given the right context clues. Similarly, team-building exercises can be stunningly effective. The military takes a couple months to make you willing to sacrifice your life for a group of what were recently strangers.

I'm not sure by what is your criteria for arranged marriages being successful. Is it because there are less divorces? The reason for that is probably because divorces are extremely taboo or illegal in the places that have have arranged marriages. As for the sacrificing in the military. Some of that has to do with the kind of people that want to join the military (a very small portion of the US population). Also from…

they did not feel like their "buddies" would be willing to sacrifice themselves for them.

Out of curiosity, were they in the front lines? There's plenty of jobs in the armed forces I could see that camaraderie never forming, particularly more bureaucratic sections.

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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we’re a tech co - meatheads are nowhere to be found so programmers can't be athletic? I'm sure that's not what he meant, but that's how it comes across. also, the idea of group pushups as a "team building" activity - seriously? that just sounds awkward and weird. not to mention that pushups are not remotely sufficient as exercise if that's all you're doing. you want to help your employees stay in shape? commit to mak…

Indeed, this approach seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Push-ups are, at-best, a difficult exercise to get right (see http://thetoptwoinches.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/100/ ). Do them in bad form and you can injure yourself. Is the team leader going to be both an expert at management AND an expert at physical education? Does the company want the lawsuits if an employee is injured exercising at the direction of th…

My knee jerk reaction to this story was "do any women work at this company"? (I'm female and do pushups every day as a component of marathon & triathlon training, so I'm not whining about the hypothetical possibility of feeling excluded.) I understand the intent, but the implementation seems misguided for many of the reasons that others have mentioned. If you want to encourage your employees to stay in shape without marginalizing anyone, offer to subsidize gym memberships or the athletic activity of their choice (e.g., karate classes, participation in a soccer league, yoga etc.) And there are plenty of teambuilding activities that have virtually no threat of joint damage.

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Taking the stairs is such an easy way to burn a few calories. It surprises me how few people do it in my office. Although, as shown by your story, some people just aren't able to!

Some people have knee problems. Although sometimes those knee problems are alleviated by regular stair use...

Yeah I definitely have nothing against anyone who goes through actual pain, or anyone who has no reason for that matter. I was just stating that in my experience, very few of my officemates that I know are capable end up taking the stairs willingly. It's their choice to make.

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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Indeed, this approach seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen. Push-ups are, at-best, a difficult exercise to get right (see http://thetoptwoinches.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/100/ ). Do them in bad form and you can injure yourself. Is the team leader going to be both an expert at management AND an expert at physical education? Does the company want the lawsuits if an employee is injured exercising at the direction of th…

Push-ups are, at-best, a difficult exercise to get right This is surprisingly true. On Monday, I tested my one-rep max on shoulder presses, which involved a couple of balls-out failures with a weight I couldn't lift. Two days later, I feel fine. The last time I tried to find out how many pushups I could do in a row, I hurt my shoulder and didn't feel right again for two weeks. I'm pretty sure on any given day I could…

I found out that doing flat-handed pushups can cause wrist pain. Pushups on bars or knuckles are much safer for the tendons!

Re: Why We Do Pushups

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Right, and these are all meaningfully related to work, directly or indirectly. Doing pushups is artificial and feels cheesy at best.

Have you done pushups at work before? I ask because I would assume that it's the only way you would know such a thing.

Yes, individually, to fight against sleepiness. Not to participate in team building!
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