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Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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This is definitely true I found for learning Chinese characters. Using Pinyin input to do everything results in character amnesia, by drilling on writing the characters makes it easier to recall them when you see them next time.

The other extreme, like at my university, is to drill writing everything (and cover less-interesting topics like telling the time, and almost useless words like '雙胞胎' - how many twins are there in China, Confucius Institute?!) I suspect most of your problem comes from trying to read isolated characters.

No, actually I can't recognize most characters isolated unless they appear in a sentence. You can see the same issue with writing code. I can read 10 books on writing Rust code, but until I actually undertake some projects and write some real code in an unforgiving environment, I'm not gonna learn as well.

The issue with writing characters isn't writing individual characters. It's writing whole sentences, and then facing the inevitable error feedback from others. I get this with Pinyin too because Pinyin autocomplete often inserts the wrong character and I don't notice until it's too late, but that's just it: pinyin autocomplete kind of promotes laziness. 90% of the time it's correct, and so I don't spend a lot of time proof reading it. I have just found hand-writing slows everything down and the muscle memory aids in remembering.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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The volunteers who wrote by hand learned unfamiliar letters more quickly , and did better on some related tasks after a small number of alphabet lessons: 'naming letters, writing letters, spelling words, and reading words'. It's not very surprising that physically forming a set of symbols will get their shapes into your head quicker than simply pressing the corresponding buttons. But that doesn't tell us much about a…

You have my upvote. "Learning languages" by what people most often mean by the phrase is very different and distinct activity than learning letters. Yeah, you need letters to read and write, but most of the learning required to learn a language is spent almost entirely in a different modality.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other extreme, like at my university, is to drill writing everything (and cover less-interesting topics like telling the time, and almost useless words like '雙胞胎' - how many twins are there in China, Confucius Institute?!) I suspect most of your problem comes from trying to read isolated characters.

No, actually I can't recognize most characters isolated unless they appear in a sentence. You can see the same issue with writing code. I can read 10 books on writing Rust code, but until I actually undertake some projects and write some real code in an unforgiving environment, I'm not gonna learn as well. The issue with writing characters isn't writing individual characters. It's writing whole sentences, and then fa…

Lets just end this on a positive note, I can't argue with anyone who is a fellow M.U.L.E. lover. :)

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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The volunteers who wrote by hand learned unfamiliar letters more quickly , and did better on some related tasks after a small number of alphabet lessons: 'naming letters, writing letters, spelling words, and reading words'. It's not very surprising that physically forming a set of symbols will get their shapes into your head quicker than simply pressing the corresponding buttons. But that doesn't tell us much about a…

This is exactly true from my experience. When you learn an new writing system, seemingly insignificant differences can have a big impact, and writing by hand forces you to confront them.

Consider in Latin the difference between an I and an l, if you have never seen the latin alphabet before this might be quite confusing. Many writing systems have much more subtle differences than this, especially in cursive forms. e.g. if you use a keyboard you will never learn that م and ه are easily confused in Arabic if you don't write them properly.

When learning vocabulary you want to focus on throughput. In the long term it does not really matter if you get a letter wrong here or there, it will correct with enough exposure and practice. The important thing is to do as many drills as possible with your chosen space repetition tool. A keyboard is a better tool than a pen for that.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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The volunteers who wrote by hand learned unfamiliar letters more quickly , and did better on some related tasks after a small number of alphabet lessons: 'naming letters, writing letters, spelling words, and reading words'. It's not very surprising that physically forming a set of symbols will get their shapes into your head quicker than simply pressing the corresponding buttons. But that doesn't tell us much about a…

Anyone who has shown a kid an iPhone would know that touch screens are immensely more intuitive for kids. They can write words in days compared to months of rote handwriting practice. Of course the press around this study will be flawed. And of course this study didn’t have a control, like learning to play the violin or a similar motor skill.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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The volunteers who wrote by hand learned unfamiliar letters more quickly , and did better on some related tasks after a small number of alphabet lessons: 'naming letters, writing letters, spelling words, and reading words'. It's not very surprising that physically forming a set of symbols will get their shapes into your head quicker than simply pressing the corresponding buttons. But that doesn't tell us much about a…

This is exactly true from my experience. When you learn an new writing system, seemingly insignificant differences can have a big impact, and writing by hand forces you to confront them. Consider in Latin the difference between an I and an l, if you have never seen the latin alphabet before this might be quite confusing. Many writing systems have much more subtle differences than this, especially in cursive forms. e.…

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Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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(n=1 here) Hard disagree. Typing Chinese is so much faster and easier than writing by hand. Sure, I don‘t learn how to write it. But my dopamine-addicted web 5.0 brain would not have kept up with the slow pace of learning by handwriting anyways.

I agree that copying characters in Chinese made my hand hurt, and I didn't internalise any of the meanings.

https://pingtype.github.io/docs/failed.html#copyingCharacter...

Reading parallel text processed with Pingtype was far more useful for me.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other extreme, like at my university, is to drill writing everything (and cover less-interesting topics like telling the time, and almost useless words like '雙胞胎' - how many twins are there in China, Confucius Institute?!) I suspect most of your problem comes from trying to read isolated characters.

No, actually I can't recognize most characters isolated unless they appear in a sentence. You can see the same issue with writing code. I can read 10 books on writing Rust code, but until I actually undertake some projects and write some real code in an unforgiving environment, I'm not gonna learn as well. The issue with writing characters isn't writing individual characters. It's writing whole sentences, and then fa…

I've learnt a lot of characters and words using flashcards in Anki. When you're reading books about Rust code, it's more passive than producing the sound that the character makes and then checking it and marking it right or wrong.

Even native speakers should check what they type, and if they want to guarantee accuracy they should read aloud what they've typed to slow themselves down. It's not a handwriting-specific thing.

Re: Handwriting is better than typing when learning a new language, study finds

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, actually I can't recognize most characters isolated unless they appear in a sentence. You can see the same issue with writing code. I can read 10 books on writing Rust code, but until I actually undertake some projects and write some real code in an unforgiving environment, I'm not gonna learn as well. The issue with writing characters isn't writing individual characters. It's writing whole sentences, and then fa…

Lets just end this on a positive note, I can't argue with anyone who is a fellow M.U.L.E. lover. :)

Sorry, I have no idea what you're talking about.
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