Isn't Google's BigQuery also scraping GitHub and is making it accessible/available for commercial use.
GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
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Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#102If you're hosting at the free github service, or even paid, github did not scrape your code. They just accessed the information on the hardware they owned. HTTP wouldn't have to be involved at all. They could just look at the disks. Additionally, "The third-party doctrine is a United States legal doctrine that holds that people who voluntarily give information to third parties—such as banks, phone companies, internet…
That's why the GDPR is right.
Like you mentioned, there is no cloud just other peoples hardware.
They will do whatever they want with your code.
MS didn't change a bit.
Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#103I absolutely despise these lot of super entitle people that have absolutely amazing free services provided by companies like GitHub and Google/Youtube and they get all agro because they dared try to monetized or impose some basic rules that don't really affect them at all in any meaningful way.
For the record, I moved all of my code away from GitHub because I didn't like them. Now I self-host, with all of the work that entails.
So I think I have a right to be mad when they do something like this to code I previously stored on GitHub.
Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#104On their website they say that "GitHub Copilot is a code synthesizer, not a search engine: the vast majority of the code that it suggests is uniquely generated and has never been seen before. We found that about 0.1% of the time, the suggestion may contain some snippets that are verbatim from the training set." So it won't copypaste your code. It had just read code from open sources and learned from it - similar to w…
> the vast majority of the code that it suggests is uniquely generated and has never been seen before.
Original code in somebody's GitHub repo:
int x = y + z;
int Eisaa7ha = Wu8iazo7 + Roh0Eesh;
Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sure, but there's still the license at play here. It's not like they trained it only on public domain/CC0 code. What happens when it verbatim outputs a significant amount of code that was originally MIT, or BSD, or GPL licensed without the appropriate attribution. It can create unintended copyright violations and potentially open people using it up to liability.
I suppose it really depends on if they spit out verbatim reproductions of code or whether it is the equivalent of a 10-year experienced programmer who has just seen a lot of code but isn't reproducing anything verbatim. We shall see, by Googling some of the code it spits out. FWIW GPT-3 doesn't really tend to spit out verbatim reproductions of copyrighted books.
I have worked a bit with transformers, the model underlying GPT. They absolutely learn to copy training data, and that’s perfectly normal.
What is happening here is we’re running into exactly what modern ML is NOT capable of: deductive reasoning. It does not think “I need to query the Twitter API for some posts, then filter them. Right, the API works like this…” No. It doesn’t think at all. It is a regression machine. “This sequence begins/looks like something I have seen before, here’s the corresponding output modulo adaptations.”
ML does not self-reflect, question motives and analyse causes. It’s just a complete lie to suggest otherwise, and to call this “pair programming”? What an absolute joke. It’s a lot like Tesla calling its glorified lane keeping an autopilot.
Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
Frankly, I think the reason people are upset is because a tool that once revolved around sharing work with others has been bought by a super giant corporation and then all of that sharing is being turned into a means of putting the people who shared out of work. Or in the very least, cutting their salaries dramatically.
How do you see this technology putting people out of work or having their salaries cut dramatically? I do not write any code that could be found and copy/pasted from somewhere online.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe read the MIT license before you grab the pitchforks: "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all COPIES OR SUBSTANTIAL PORTIONS of the Software." Reusing a snippet doesn't require reproducing the MIT license. People who publish MIT software know they're basically giving their code out with basically no strings attached. However, GitHub should be careful with the GPL variety.
What counts as a "substantial portion"? Personally I'd say that a function is substantial, whereas one or two lines would not be.
I write a lot of one or two line functions though.
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#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
> If you open-sourced code and allowed it to be used for commercial purposes Uploading it to Github does not transfer ownership or imply allowances for any use. If you upload it without a license it is a copyright violation to copy the code. Even with an MIT license it is a copyright violation to copy the code without attribution. > I don't see the point of being pissy about Github using it, I'm saying this as someon…
> People are probably angry because this is yet another case of a big multinational corporation abusing unclear or difficult to enforce legislation for profit. it's worse than that: it's Microsoft trying to completely undermine the concept of open source meanwhile: they're unaffected as their high-value proprietary code remains private and doesn't train the model
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Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#109Is this analogous to gtp-3 reading every sentence ever written without attribution to all of mankind?
Re: GitHub scraped your code. And they plan to charge you
#110Nothing is free people! ... People are outraged by GitHub but nobody is going after Facebook or Google for training their AIs on your personal data. Facebook used your face to train some algos, google your personal emails etc.
Well, some of us try to keep Facebook and Google out of our private lives, but our faces aren't copyrightable.