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Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by rajin444 »

fra wrote: post #27
wait_a_minute wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not your business to verify anything. It’s up to the individual to do what is best for their own situation. Focus on decisions for your own self and family.

Your vaccination status impacts the people around you. There are folks who cannot be vaccinated (or who are not able to develop immunity from the vaccine). It is dangerous for them to be around unvaccinated people. So no, it is not just up to the individual to do what is best for them.

Couldn't you say the same for people who choose to be obese? Not only are they consuming more resources, but they're weakening their immune systems, thus furthering the likelihood they'll spread covid and other diseases.

I'm not saying this is a world I want to live in, but how do you decide where to draw the line?

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by nokcha »

chrononaut wrote: post #25
beervirus wrote: post #3

We’ll still probably need periodic booster shots to deal with variants as they crop up. Still, very encouraging news if it holds up in practice.

Could someone elaborate why this particular comment is being downvoted? Or I guess in other words, is there something unique about the mRNA vaccines that make it unnecessary to require "booster shots" (if "booster shots" equate to yearly shots we are used to with the flu variants)? (I legitimately don't know and I am curious. I see the article does reference protection against a variant during a study, but it's uncle…

> Could someone elaborate why this particular comment is being downvoted?

My guess would be that commenter doesn't provide any evidence to support his/her claim. (I didn't downvote it, BTW.)

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by reedjosh »

standardUser wrote: post #96
reedjosh wrote: post #88

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Because authoritarianism is antithetical to our founding nature. A centralized database that is used to control individuals is akin to China's social credit system. I've actually started seeing people argue for China style systems, and I find it both frightening and sickening. When I start to push back at all, I usually get arguments like `Leave the US if you don't like it.`, and sure I'll just pick up and leave the…

Every American is in a whole myriad of government databases form the federal level on down. Pretending otherwise, or pretending that the next database will be the one to break individualism and lead to autocracy, is just magical thinking.

I don't at all disagree, but this will be the first one openly limiting freedoms via the government's monopoly of force.

I do believe there are others already doing so too, but none of them are open and acknowledged by the public.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by psychometry »

asdff wrote: post #77
pkulak wrote: post #59

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30% of the population is violently (not a hyperbole) opposed to it.

Yet we still require vaccinations to enroll in public schools and fly to certain countries, so none of this would be unprecedented at all.

When it comes to schools, anyone can claim a "religious exemption" to those rules (as if public health is a religious matter...). There's no verification or proof involved in claiming that exemption. It's a major loophole.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

jaywalk wrote: post #38
fra wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your vaccination status impacts the people around you. There are folks who cannot be vaccinated (or who are not able to develop immunity from the vaccine). It is dangerous for them to be around unvaccinated people. So no, it is not just up to the individual to do what is best for them.

My whole point is that current policies are conflating immunity with vaccination, when the science says that immunity from a past infection is equivalent to immunity from vaccination. If I can provide a past positive Covid test or a positive antibody test, that is just as good as a record of being vaccinated. There is no scientific evidence to point to for believing otherwise.

> a past positive Covid test or a positive antibody test, that is just as good as a record of being vaccinated

Immunity from non-symptomatic infection differs wildly from symptomatic infection. It's also less flexible with new variants.

I agree that there should be a way to document this. But there are still benefits to keeping certain spaces for the vaccinated only, to allow for denser mixing et cetera.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by standardUser »

chaostheory wrote: post #57
cdolan wrote: post #17

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Source/Sauce?

I don't know why the original comment is being downvoted. It is not a conspiracy theory to assume that we need booster shots. Is it not like our situation with the flu? https://www.cnbc.com/2021/04/15/pfizer-ceo-says-third-covid-... https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/22/covid-booster-shots-coronavi... The news of this new study just came out today. Give the guy a break.

There is simply no evidence we will need booster shots.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by wait_a_minute »

btrfsck wrote: post #48
wait_a_minute wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not your business to verify anything. It’s up to the individual to do what is best for their own situation. Focus on decisions for your own self and family.

The best solution for my own self and family is to be part of a system where we all agree to take basic precautions to safeguard the more vulnerable who cannot. If everyone who can get vaccinated does, then it fundamentally changes how dangerous the world is for those who are immunocompromised, or are too young to receive the vaccine. I wish that the number of people too selfish or foolish to receive the vaccine was…

It is not anti-vaccination or anti-medicine to say that it's not someone's business to verify anything. People can go about their own business in the form of a vaccination, a mask, staying at home, or all three until the pandemic is over. It's not someone else's business. That's just how it is in the States, sorry but not sorry. You know that Florida has been back to normal for a long time and covid cases have been consistently declining there? And other states too. Without any such expectations around nosey moral busybodies trying to get people's personal information for "verification"

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by t-writescode »

metters wrote: post #89

The headline is wrong. The article is about mRNA vaccines in general. Moreover, Pfizer is partner of BioNTech, which developed the vaccine. I don’t understand why OP omits that and solely credits Pfizer.

in America, the vaccine is referred to as the "Pfizer vaccine" in the majority of newsletters. I understand this varies based on what country you're in, but this isn't unique there and is common practice for this vaccine's name.

Pfizer is easier to type than "Pfizer BioNTech" (there's 3 capital letters in that second word, 2 next to each other).

Laziness wins.

Re: Pfizer and Moderna vaccines may produce lasting immunity

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Post by mizzack »

xxpor wrote: post #24
yazaddaruvala wrote: post #6

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We'll "need" to take periodic boosters to improve Moderna and Pfizer's profit margins. That said, given its safe, I'm happy to do it to help fund / drive investment into the mRNA supply chain.

I'm sorry, but you have no idea how vaccine economics work. Why do you think that researcher had so many problems at Pfizer getting funding to work on mRNA? Drug companies want to invent things like Viagra or Harvoni, not vaccines that are given to everyone a few times.

Pfizer's CEO literally called the vaccine a "durable revenue stream" and talked about boosters through 2024 in the last earnings call.
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