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This comment does not deserve downvotes. Tesla is every bit as anti-hobbyist as Apple or John Deere.
Did you know that Tesla is not the only EV company?
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Renault Twingo III gets 66 mpg, while having much more space and being generally more useful.
Yep, there are modern engines that will do that. I was using the example of an older engine, because they are generally much more fixable (which was OP's original point).
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Did you know that Tesla is not the only EV company?
Tesla is 80% of the US BEV market. Which manufacturers make their electric vehicles easy to work on?
Most my city driving is within the electric only range, so I basically never need to fill it up, but with a full charge and tank of gas it’s over 1,000km of range.
While I’ll be able to charge it at grocery store or wherever if a charging spot is available to basically get free range, and charge it at home whenever I want, I won’t be reliant on charging and can get the best of both worlds when I choose.
I intend to drive it over the next few years which gets close to the 2035 goalpost many countries have of deprecating ICE cars, and as electric and charging becomes cheaper and fewer people use gas at all I can pick what type of fuel to use (petrol or electric) based on what’s cheapest that week/month.
PHEV are also up to half the cost of comparable full electric.
I think if I never had to consider longer trips (2-4 hours of driving into the country) and I had access to a reliable at home charging I’d go electric tomorrow.
I feel like for the next 1-5 years PHEV makes more sense for my situation.
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>As for the environmental aspect, well, I'm probably going to regret saying this openly. We live in a fully industrialized world. Unless we're all willing to go back to using wind power to transport cargo and carriages to transport people, while simultaneously getting the world population back to pre-industrial levels, it's a bit too late. I don't think you're going to be saving anything with your EV. The messaging a…
>a quick switch to EV will substantially reduce the amount of carbon pollution An even quicker switch to "drive less" will do as much good, and save you a load of money too! (As well as consuming significantly less of the world's resources)
I'm interested in the EV trucks they're starting to produce, although I'd like the truck to be smaller and for vehicles to be less phabletey and certainly not to come with subscription O/S upgrades.
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The Fiat 500 from 1957 got 43mpg. Imagine what could be done, if car manufacturers were not focussed on the lease market, meeting the newest emissions regulations (more relevant in Europe), and filling cars with electronic toys.
Renault Twingo III gets 66 mpg, while having much more space and being generally more useful.
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Because they are two completely different things. One is the environmental cost of manufacture, and one is the environmental cost of usage. Electric and ICE vehicles both have both of these costs. They are all different. If you want to compare things, you need to actually look at all four numbers, not take two unrelated numbers and comparing them for dishonest reasons.
I'm aware of those numbers, and they are still both an environmental cost, regardless of how they happen. EVs swap high environmental running costs for high environmental manufacturing costs, and then we in developed countries externalise those costs by sourcing most of the component parts from other countries, and tell ourselves that we have done something great for the world. Edit: It takes 25MWh to manufacture jus…
Greening up the energy sources for vehicle production should just be next on the agenda!
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Yep, there are modern engines that will do that. I was using the example of an older engine, because they are generally much more fixable (which was OP's original point).
But my point is, the equivalent today gets a lot better milage, and the reason why has lots to do with why it is not fixable.
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Yep, there are modern engines that will do that. I was using the example of an older engine, because they are generally much more fixable (which was OP's original point).
But my point is, the equivalent today gets a lot better milage, and the reason why has lots to do with why it is not fixable.
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I'm aware of those numbers, and they are still both an environmental cost, regardless of how they happen. EVs swap high environmental running costs for high environmental manufacturing costs, and then we in developed countries externalise those costs by sourcing most of the component parts from other countries, and tell ourselves that we have done something great for the world. Edit: It takes 25MWh to manufacture jus…
IDK, if your best argument is that an EV breaks even with an ICE at 40,000 miles on the odometer under current conditions that is a very good argument for buying an EV to help the environment! They last a lot longer than 40,000 miles! Greening up the energy sources for vehicle production should just be next on the agenda!
>Greening up the energy sources for vehicle production should just be next on the agenda!
That would be great, but the article we are discussing has already strongly stated that we need to focus on what we are doing, not on other countries. This is despite the fact that we are effectively mandating the offloading of CO2 emissions to whichever country is manufacturing the major components of our EVs. The battery pack dominates those, in terms of manufacturing energy and resources, however all the fancy electronic toys and touchscreens that all EVs have also have a non-trivial manufacturing cost. My go-to example is that a laptop, comprised of an LCD, a few PCBs and modern microchips, and battery, takes about 1,700 kWh to manufacture. That's enough to drive an EV over 5000 miles. Start adding up all of those screens, CPUs, memory, and other semiconductors present in an EV, and that manufacturing cost starts to look pretty big, too.
Personally, it's clear to me that one of our biggest issues is the embodied energy, and attendant CO2 emissions, of all the consumer electronic goods we are importing at an incredible rate. It's a ludicrous situation when manufacture in Western countries has been tied down by emissions regulations, but there is no control at all on the products we then import.