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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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The workaround is to use Linux :)

Great. The workaround is much worse battery usage, screen tearing and a horrible trackpad experience.

The track pad issues seem to largely be gone.

I still get screen tearing.

I am running on a laptop, but I typically keep it plugged in as often as possible to save the battery so I haven't noticed if it's good or bad.

It's still a good trade IMO.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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This makes me want to move back to Linux, but last time I tried Ubuntu (2020) there were lots of little annoyances. Off the top of my head: - Screen tearing. I Googled around and installed the Nvidia drivers for my laptop, but it never went away. - No detection of tablet mode. - No auto screen rotation. - Slow Blender rendering. Probably a PEBKAC with my driver setup, but it just worked in Windows and it was easy to…

I'm a long-time Linux user and my job is to develop open source software primarily used on Linux. My suggestion to you is to get a Mac. I'm not aware of any Linux distros that are suitable for non-developers. I wish it was otherwise, but it just isn't.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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No, it is not. Apple does encourage setting up/associating an Apple ID account, it is not a requirement.

God damn it how many times I have to say it: it's not required on Windows as well! You click cancel, then click tiny link at bottom to create local account. You are talking about things you have no idea about man.

In the latest releases of Win 10 Home, at least once you have connected to the network, that button does not exist. They prompt you to enter your WiFi info first, then ask you to log in. And once you have entered the WiFi info you cannot get back to that screen and remove it until after you have set everything up. At least not without a factory reset, which I didn't actually try.

They force you to log in with a MS account during the initial setup then once you are in you can add a local admin account. Then you can log into it and remove the MS account. Its absolutely horrible.

I have been dealing with this a lot lately, had several laptops that were Home and could not get in to them without the MS account. Its a huge pain.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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This requirement just does not make sense to me. Why would Microsoft even have this requirement? Do they want to force users into an account so it is easier to lead them into Office packages? It can't be for greater data profiles on users since they could do this in other less explicit ways. Microsoft just doesn't have the ecosystem like Apple to make this worthwhile from their point of view or the users.

This is how Chromebooks work. A Google account is needed to sign-in. The motive is not mysterious -- I don't believe it is security, it is pushing free services to collect more data. We all know that selling people's data is deliriously profitable.

Of course, people will create less-attributable accounts.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> So many of us depend on their products that we’d be devastated if they destroyed their ecosystem for no good reason This is what free software people have been warning against for decades now, and yet governments and big structures still willingly give their hands to be tied instead of allocating some funds to the development of solutions that don't have this problem and would be far more cost-effective in the end.…

I'm a FOSS advocate. Please don't make it sound like that. There's plenty of issues with FOSS, including funding. Like, what we also warn about the fact that a majority of people on earth directly or indirectly depend on projects like, I dunno, coreutils, openssh and what not which receive fuck-all funding.

You're replying to a message asking why we don't fund FOSS by saying the problem with FOSS is a lack of funding.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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> bought something from a shop with no stickiness If you want this you can still have it, you just need to follow a simple rule: Absolutely no non-free non community maintained software ever period.

That rule is simple to state, but damn near impossible to actually execute. I can't imagine the hoops you'd have to jump through to have a cell phone following this simple rule. I appreciate the push towards open source -- obviously a lot of good has come of it, but I'll happily take stickiness for convenience in many situations.

Pinephone.

I believe the idea is that anything with blobs can be hardware disabled.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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the confusion and distress starts with assuming its "your own pc". for at least a decade now the winning and profitable design pattern wants user devices turning into thin clients. the chromebook-ification of computing if you wish, or its X-terminalization [0] for somewhat older people [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X_terminal

But if my client is thin, why would I buy hardware?

I.e. this runs counter to hardware makers goals.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Fun fact, password for my Microsoft account sits in my password manager. If I can't log into my PC, I can't access that password. And no, I am not going to remember that, or change it to something simpler. (Yes I know about entropy and correct horse battery staple!)

Same here. If I ever loose access to all my devices at once, I'm not logging back.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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It is sadly part of a dark pattern called "stickiness". You can dress it up as functionally useful or even important but ultimately it is about companies wanting to create enough of a dependency that you have to continue using them, which is anti-competitive. Gone are the days where you bought something from a shop with no stickiness other than good service brought you back. Now there are far too many Marketing Manag…

I would love to see the internal documents that Apple has on maintaining stickiness. I’m sure it contains a trove of terms and concepts that would enable a meaningful discussion.

For example, using Apple Music was the default for the HomePod. Using any other music service was clunky (coincidentally or deliberately).

Another point is the Apple Watch. Switching to an Android phone would mean getting rid of two devices.

Re: I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

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Except for Ubuntu Core which requires Ubuntu SSO account. https://ubuntu.com/download/raspberry-pi-core The requirements doesn't list internet... and I was pretty sure my friend pressed some button or something that asked him for online login, when he tried to install Ubuntu for raspberry (because I'm not hardcore linux guy and I use Ubuntu and I will be able to assist him better in that OS), but after some googling…

Not really sure what the Core part means but it looks like the SSO part is specific to it. You can just download the regular ISO for ARM/RPi... Also Canonical/Ubuntu seems just have a particular bad track record of stuff like this. Most Linux distorts are better.

Yeah, I find out there is the arm build. But core is a nice minimal core with less packages. ~350MB vs 1.1GB...
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