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Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by clairity »

jb775 wrote: post #25

Just need to turn on CNN or MSNBC right now for modern examples of propaganda. Don't think they really care about left or right, they use politics as a vehicle to keep the masses divided and therefore under control. It also shifts focus away from the growing class gap and how the upper classes are hoarding wealth.

or npr and nytimes, two outlets that especially harp on their "fact-based", "independent" reporting, but is as message-controlled as every other (e.g., covid fearmongering is still being peddled as hard as ever).

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by runbathtime »

strogonoff wrote: post #9
runbathtime wrote: post #7

> Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda). I have to disagree, propaganda is bad, as its aim isn't to inform, but to manipulate through dishonesty.

One can’t simply relay absolutely all of the information. By choosing which information to relay, you could say one already engages in propaganda, selective spread of information[0]. The choice reflects one’s opinion on what you should pay attention to, which is conceptually not that different from propaganda. [0] Quoting the article, “The art of propaganda is not telling lies, but rather selecting the truth you requ…

There is a difference between not relaying all information and selecting info or misrepresenting info used for an agenda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by runbathtime »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #10
runbathtime wrote: post #7

> Propaganda isn’t bad by its nature (after-all, almost any content that relays information can be considered a form of propaganda). I have to disagree, propaganda is bad, as its aim isn't to inform, but to manipulate through dishonesty.

Propaganda has bad reputation partially because it is associated with world war 2. Prior to that, it was freely used without negative connotations. Think about it like this. Parents manipulate their children all the time to make them do things they don't want to do. They do not do it honestly, but it certainly it not perceived a societal harm despite inherent dishonesty.

Manipulating your own children (probably not good if you want functional kids) is a private affair without a political agenda.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by indymike »

slg wrote: post #18
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

Doesn't propaganda require intent? You may be seeing bias but that isn't the same as propaganda.

Interesting. The article defines propaganda differently than the dictionary.

The article: "Propaganda is information (delivered through any medium) designed to persuade, manipulate emotion, and change opinion rather than to inform using logical truths and facts."

The dictionary: "information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view."

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by bosswipe »

infamouscow wrote: post #95
slg wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am sorry but I have no idea how one would come to the conclusion that 90% of journalists are engaging in intentional propaganda. I can understand if you think they have unconscious biases that influence their work, but believing 90% of the profession ix trying to actively manipulate you is just disconnected from reality.

You mean like how every left-leaning media publication said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked, even though there was not a shred of evidence to substantiate debunking?

If every single left-leaning media said the lab-leak hypothesis was debunked it should be easy for you to give me one citation.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

shuntress wrote: post #81
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

You seem to be conflating "propaganda" with "opinion". And also conflating "propaganda techniques" with "communication". There is obviously some overlap. Propaganda is inherently opinionated and basic communication techniques used to convey any story of course also work with propaganda.

No, propaganda is weaponised rhetoric designed to obfuscate the truth while promoting compliant beliefs and expedient behaviours.

This is not about differences of opinion. It's about whether the population is allowed to have an independent opinion at all.

In the US it simply isn't. There's a gigantic shrieking fog-horn of pro-corporate anti-democratic extremism on one side, and a smaller but more shrill progressive air horn on the other.

Between those two it's very hard to debate anything on its merits. Most positions are tribally one-vs-the-other, wrapped in triggering rhetoric and imagery, and powered by stock cut-and-paste memes, opinions, and predigested talking points.

None of that is about communication.

There are reasons for all of this. Some are reasonable, some are toxic. But that's a different issues.

It doesn't change the fact that propaganda is the default media mode in the US - not just in the mainstream media and in advertising, but also in the form of the interactions and quality of relationship that are typically promoted on social media.

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Post by Fellshard »

HWR_14 wrote: post #94
reedjosh wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As the parents, we have the right to chose how our children are raised. Downvoted for raising your children as you'd like. Lol, that's HN for ya.

Children aren't property. It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents. We do it for various forms of abuse. We obviously want to be careful, but I see no reason to allow 14-year-olds to get married off by their parents to adult men in their cult. Nor do I think it's okay to change that to the parents let their 14-year-olds get groomed for 4 years either.

> It's perfectly reasonable for society to take children away from parents.

The way you state this makes it sound like this should be the /norm/, though, as opposed to only being applied in concrete exigent circumstances such as the ones you name.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by WalterBright »

shuntress wrote: post #81
WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

You seem to be conflating "propaganda" with "opinion". And also conflating "propaganda techniques" with "communication". There is obviously some overlap. Propaganda is inherently opinionated and basic communication techniques used to convey any story of course also work with propaganda.

Not at all. It's obvious in the "news" stories.

Re: Types of propaganda, propaganda techniques, and propaganda strategies (2017)

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Post by wolverine876 »

WalterBright wrote: post #13

Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media. I used to think about 10% of the mainstream media was propaganda, now it seems like about 90%.

> Once you learn the propaganda techniques, you start seeing it everywhere in the mainstream media.

I think it heavily depends on what media you see. The best journalism generally avoids it (i.e., the straight news side). Most journalism isn't in the top few percentile, but you don't need to read anything less than the best. I stick to the best, and when I encounter lesser stuff (e.g., I was visiting relatives and CNN was on TV), it's shocking and depressing how obviously bad it is. (BTW, one good source I discovered on that trip: BBC World News television - actually excellent cable news!)

But the opinion pages of even the best news sources (e.g., NY Times, Wall St Journal) are 99% exercises in propaganda; it almost defines opinion in the news. It's disgusting to me that they brazenly deceive their readers, but it's ok because it says 'opinion'.

However, where I see propaganda far more is online, not in the news media. I see it comments and blog posts, etc., including in this forum, sadly. The focus on the professional news media is odd to me; and in fact, and ironically, de-legitimizing the professional news media is a widespread propaganda campaign from a specific political grouping.

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