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Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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> iron grip Jeez, give it a rest. Companies don't give a crap about your life. None have ever showed the slightest interest in anything I do when not at work.

Have you ever been asked to come in on Saturdays? Often?

Sure. That's an interest in getting work done, not putting my life under iron control. I got paid overtime for it, too.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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Sure, but how many years of my life will I waste, wringing my hands in fearful anticipation of when the job market tanks? Either way, I’m fairly confident I’ll be able to get a job, or have enough saved to weather the storm. In the meantime, the sense of freedom that comes from WFH is unparalleled.

You got kids? :-)

WFH with kids is amazing. You get to see them grow up and can move to a lower cost of living area where they can have room, a yard…

It’s definitely the most family friendly working arrangement.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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post #71

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That’s ridiculous, and only proves my point that management is obsessed with meaningless metrics and what employees do with their free time rather than whether they’re completing their assigned duties or not.

I feel very empowered by WFH as a manager. I get gamed much less by the developers I manage. For instance I assign a duty or task as you mention, and I can now clearly see if anytime was spent on it or not. So during my progress reviews if a developer says he is still working on it, been a bit more complex than he expected, yet I can clear see when he was active on the system, and due to proprietary nature of our sof…

If you're getting "gamed" by your staff, the issue might not be with the developers' working habits...

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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I switched my tech company to full WFH. I also implemented detailed surveillance on all employees, which I don’t disclose. It shows me keyboard/mouse activity levels and window update rates. It’s very interesting information, I have much better insight how and when people work, which are very different from each other. I also have other productivity measures and now I can really understand when someone is not working…

So either you live in a place where human rights don't exist, or will be in an entirely new world of pain and humiliation once you are found out. And in the meantime, since can't own up to your snooping, you can't act on it at ALL without parallel construction, i.e. without being a liar and a cheat. What you gain by this is only valuable to those who can't lead and inspire. What you lose is invaluable yet unknown to…

Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human rights and why would I feel pain or humiliation? We log everything in many situations. We also have full keylogging and all command logging via auditd. There is a lot of idealistic and childish responses to my approach, including yours. I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

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post #94

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I can see you must be a sharp knife. I conceal my surveillance from my employees but I should tell you the name of my company so you can tell them?

People like you ruin planet earth, really, try to put more trust in people. Oh and if you didn't yet, watch Black Mirror.

Exactly. Why employ people you don’t trust? It sounds very tiring. I certainly don’t have time for it running a successful, fast-growing company.

I’ve employed people before who eroded my trust in them. I either fired them or nudged them to find a new job, depending on the severity of the thing they did to make me not trust them.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

#106
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Seriously? I would never, ever consider doing that to my employees. It’s plainly obvious if someone is doing their work or not without tracking their mouse movements. What’s the name of your company so I can tell everyone I know to avoid it like the plague? My company is gingrapp.com. We’re hiring and would never subject anyone to this.

I can see you must be a sharp knife. I conceal my surveillance from my employees but I should tell you the name of my company so you can tell them?

Are you afraid your employees would leave you if they found out? Good. You should be. And I’ll be here to treat them with respect and scoop up your talent.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

#107
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I feel very empowered by WFH as a manager. I get gamed much less by the developers I manage. For instance I assign a duty or task as you mention, and I can now clearly see if anytime was spent on it or not. So during my progress reviews if a developer says he is still working on it, been a bit more complex than he expected, yet I can clear see when he was active on the system, and due to proprietary nature of our sof…

If you're getting "gamed" by your staff, the issue might not be with the developers' working habits...

That this manager chooses to “humiliate” certain employees is also indicative of the root cause of the issue.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

#108

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You got kids? :-)

WFH with kids is amazing. You get to see them grow up and can move to a lower cost of living area where they can have room, a yard… It’s definitely the most family friendly working arrangement.

I was talking more about the stress of keeping the same standard of living during a downturn. Again, I am pro-WFH but fear the vulnerability one is in when not seen in person. I've been bit before. Perhaps it's a critical mass thing, the more people WFH, the more my fears will assuage, but for the time being, I guess I just don't know. Remember, during a down turn, the company wouldn't even have to lay you off to get rid of you, just rescind their WFH policy. If you're far away, they know you won't relocate.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

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So either you live in a place where human rights don't exist, or will be in an entirely new world of pain and humiliation once you are found out. And in the meantime, since can't own up to your snooping, you can't act on it at ALL without parallel construction, i.e. without being a liar and a cheat. What you gain by this is only valuable to those who can't lead and inspire. What you lose is invaluable yet unknown to…

Care to explain how a private employer collecting telemetry data on their own computer system whom the employees are paid to work on would be violating human rights and why would I feel pain or humiliation? We log everything in many situations. We also have full keylogging and all command logging via auditd. There is a lot of idealistic and childish responses to my approach, including yours. I’m not snooping anything…

You treat people like toddlers, you can't even look them in the eye and tell them that, and then call me childish? Anything else, you anonymous coward? The fact that you can't tell that to the people you do it to says it all. No, I don't care to explain to you what was your responsibility to look into before you even put it into action.

> I’m not snooping anything by monitoring our computer systems in the way I do.

You just spoke of monitoring people, not systems. You spoke of "slackers". Now you're already backpedaling. I hope you get caught, and sued into the fucking ground.

Re: Forget going back to the office – people are just quitting instead

#110
post #93

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No one said your co-workers must or should be your only social connections. Simply that it helps if they are A social connection. You're still going to deal with your co-workers eight hours a day. Dealing with people who think of you as a friend is a lot easier than with people who don't.

I want to deal with my co-workers as professionals, definitely not as friends. They are not my friends, I’m paid to work with them. Companies are more productive when you remove social drama, not less.

There's always social drama because humans are social creatures and not machines. Hiding your head in the sand doesn't make it go away but merely means you're at it's whims with no influence on it. The difference is that if you're viewed as a friend other people first give you the benefit of the doubt since they assume you had good intentions. If you're not they don't and then things can escalate very quickly and not in your favor.
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