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Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

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It would be great for this to be reestablished as the norm for online services. I think some might argue that being able to intercept a user at account deletion via support gives them the opportunity to either solve a misunderstanding in the product or better understand why the user is leaving but I think there are much better ways to accomplish this. I’m more convinced this is done as a dark pattern to add friction…

I think it's much more likely that it just takes timeand money to develop how the deletion process works, testing the implementation etc. It's easier to just not have the capability since it's not critical to the majority of users.

Fair point, that’s probably a decent part of it, but the deletion process has to be defined somewhat formally for a support person or some one else to do it, no?

And they could still offer an account deletion button which automatically filed a support request. Most sites which don’t offer account deletion have made me dig or google for a solution instead of putting any info in a contextually relevant spot such as in account settings or in a support article about disabling an account.

Unfortunately I do not have evidence to justify this position but for most companies from an incentives standpoint as I understand them: 1) a user who cannot delete an account will have a far easier time using the service again compared to a user who has deleted an account so they are more likely to reengage, 2) user numbers and active user numbers may be important metrics for funding or company evaluation, 3) assuming data is deleted on account deletion then that can no longer be used for marketing or model training, 4) services which rely on the network effects from the user base need to have a relevant and usually large user base to provide consistent value, 5) if done manually there support and or dev cost on each account delete request.

Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

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post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can anyone translate that into practical terms? To me that doesn’t match this post’s title, currently “AppStore: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion”. Quote: The app must also include a mechanism to revoke social network credentials and disable data access between the app and social network from within the app. An app may not store credentials or tokens to social networks off of the devi…

It's the second sentence: "If your app supports account creation, you must also offer account deletion within the app."

Wow. Not sure how I missed that. Thanks.

Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

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I’ve seen quite a lot of people complaining about this on Twitter. Is there some negative to this I’m not aware of other than companies losing customers? I’ve come across more and more sites in recent years with no account deletion option and it’s hugely frustrating. One I discover it and manage to shut my account down via a support channel they have lost me for good. There is no way I’m ever becoming a customer agai…

Reddit has been allowing easy account deletion and content deletion for years (since the beginning I believe?) and while I enjoy that freedom, it also makes some old conversations almost impossible to read where [deleted] answers to [deleted] and only one message in the middle of the conversations still there saying "Wow that's really interesting information! Everyone should read that!"

This has even become a way of trolling in some subreddits where you try to make people waste time answering you in detail then deleting all your messages.

This has prompted some people to quote bigger parts of the original message.

Deleting accounts is a right, no problem about it, but deleting public information is really problematic. The right to be forgotten should be a moral right, not a legal one. I don't want it to be illegal to point out politicians responsibilities in Iran-Contra or the Iraq war even 20 years after.

Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

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This is great on Apple’s part for enforcing this for every account based app, now if only HN offered account deletion…

Or indeed, deletion of your comments. The way dang explained it to me was that each comment thread is a shared work created by multiple people rather than a collection of individual comments. Since you don’t own your comments, you can’t delete them. He is very accommodating about requests to disavow comments from your account. But I don’t expect people on HN to complain about this. They hold every other website to ab…

Some old reddit discussions are plagued with deleted comments (deleting all your comments is an option when deletinc an account)

Threads of [deleted content] answering to [deleted content] are hard to follow.

Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with the idea that once you say or do something in public, you no longer have any rights or control over it, other than about credit or slander. You have a right to complain if someone lies about something you said, either by putting words in your mouth or taking credit for your words. You have zero rights over anyone else's memory of the fact that you said something or what you said. That's not some new thin…

This is exactly the response I expected. Would you feel the same way of Facebook used your exact words to respond to a GDPR request?

Of course anything I've published on FB, is public.

Re: Apps supporting account creation must also offer account deletion

#106
'Right to forget' is required in EU, and it's been illegal in California since 2018 for subscription services that take signups online to not offer online cancel options too (i.e. without being forced to call customer service). https://techcrunch.com/2018/07/04/californias-new-online-can...

Visa cc passed new policy in 2020 and New York did in February 2021. So the infuriating practice of forcing us to call or go through chat loops to quit a basic subscription are numbered. I feel strongly enough that I started brightback.com in 2018 to help make online cancels easy for app/saas developers to offer while keeping it simple for the customer.

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