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Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by another-dave »

shoto_io wrote: post #53
dane-pgp wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not unusual to see such timeframes in the context of nuclear decommissioning. For example: "At around 2116, care and maintenance will end and any remaining buildings will be removed and the site returned as close as possible to its original state."[0] Also, depending on what you mean by "some definite plan", and how young you are, your pension plan may include an estimated retirement date later than 2070. [0] ht…

I think that’s about the time that interplanetary space travel starts in Star Trek. I always thought that’s way too early and the whole time should be starting 1,000 years later.

Given only 58 years from the first flight to getting someone in space, they probably thought another 100 years of innovation sounded OK!

Crazy looking back to think that Star Trek originally aired before the moon landing.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by another-dave »

HPsquared wrote: post #75
perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Cathedral projects often took decades.

Ground breaking on Sagrada Familia in Barcelona was in 1882 — it was consecrated in 2010, but still not finished!

According to Wikipedia they're expecting it to take more than 5 years more, with a completion date of "post 2026"

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by ajmurmann »

lazyjones wrote: post #86
yread wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems reasonable. Maasvlakte is a comparable project: an artificial island (20 km2 while this island is "only" 2.8km2) outside Rotterdam harbor and it was built over 25 years (1974-1997) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte (Dutch wiki has much more info: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte ) Another comparable project is the new Strandeiland in Amsterdam https://www.amsterdam.nl/projecten/ijburg/deelproject…

China buit several artificial islands in just a few years - and not near shores (but some on reefs). https://southfront.org/chinas-artificial-islands-south-china... It can be done faster if enough resources are allocated... Denmark doesn't seem to be in a hurry.

Might sustainability and geological context play a role? I thought the the Chinese islands were build on coral reefs and existing small islands. I also wonder about differences in currents and even requirements based on future use. A small military base to extend your empire probably needs to be less stable than a place you want to build a city on that should last forever.

Comparison to the Palm and World islands in Dubai strikes me though.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by geewee »

sschueller wrote: post #103

Is this where they are going to send their asylum applicants? It would be a lot safer for them than in their home countries where they are being persecuted. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-57343572

No the property prices would be way too high there for that..

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by aerique »

yread wrote: post #61
perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

Seems reasonable. Maasvlakte is a comparable project: an artificial island (20 km2 while this island is "only" 2.8km2) outside Rotterdam harbor and it was built over 25 years (1974-1997) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte (Dutch wiki has much more info: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte ) Another comparable project is the new Strandeiland in Amsterdam https://www.amsterdam.nl/projecten/ijburg/deelproject…

Well, to be somewhat fair: the IJsselmeer used be a sea (Zuiderzee) but The Netherlands blocked it off with a large dyke in the early 1900's.

So you could consider it part of the long term planning

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by krab »

Muromec wrote: post #90
yread wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems reasonable. Maasvlakte is a comparable project: an artificial island (20 km2 while this island is "only" 2.8km2) outside Rotterdam harbor and it was built over 25 years (1974-1997) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte (Dutch wiki has much more info: https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maasvlakte ) Another comparable project is the new Strandeiland in Amsterdam https://www.amsterdam.nl/projecten/ijburg/deelproject…

My most favorite fact about Strandeiland is how it looks on google maps plan view. Apparently google already extracted streets from the satellite imagery, but didn’t yet updated the shape of island itself. So you see streets on IJ surface. https://goo.gl/maps/wrL42MHhBvPf1Ben9 Oh and of course in this country cycling paths are built before any houses.

Some countries export streets, addresses and buildings in a machine readable format. So it could be based on a periodic import, not on image recognition.

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by lucb1e »

perihelions wrote: post #3

This is some remarkably long-term planning: "If construction goes ahead as planned, the majority of the foundations for the island off Denmark's capital should be in place by 2035, with an aim to fully complete the project by 2070." I can't recall ever seeing the year 2070 or later in print, in the context of some definite project or plan. Are there other examples?

I saw 2069 yesterday when reading about the plan to do a fly-by of the nearest star system (Alpha Centauri), so technically yep, 2070 is the longest-ahead plan I've seen so far! And more concrete, too (literally, hah).

(In case anyone wants to read more, there isn't much info yet but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Centauri#Future_explorat... )

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by mmmmmbop »

another-dave wrote: post #102
HPsquared wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cathedral projects often took decades.

Ground breaking on Sagrada Familia in Barcelona was in 1882 — it was consecrated in 2010, but still not finished! According to Wikipedia they're expecting it to take more than 5 years more, with a completion date of "post 2026"

Construction of the Cologne Cathedral began in 1248 and was not completed until 1880, with a generous break between 1560 and 1840. During the break, a medieval crane remained in place as a landmark of the Cologne skyline for 400 years. [0]

[0] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:Sch%C3%B6nscheidt,_J._H....

Re: Denmark parliament approves giant artificial island off Copenhagen

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Post by boublepop »

This is the absolute concentrate of idiocy. They need the island because there isn’t land to build new housing… there’s plenty of land to build new housing but every single attempt gets shot down with excuses about “maintaining nature” because every single politician has had a 3000% increase of the value of their houses and apartments in the capital region and don’t want to see that end.

Once the island is finally build and complete, some politician will find some species of frog on it that’s suddenly vitally important to conserve even though it’s also verywhere else in Denmark, and construction of housing will become prohibited.

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