Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label • Hacker News Board

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by fellellor » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:08 AM UTC

actuator wrote: post #40

wolverine876 wrote: post #29

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>> The ruling party released a fake document > It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. The article answers your question: A prominent fact-checking organization examined the document. You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. Should gover…

I read through it and it says part of the document has been admitted to be true. > You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. If I am a citizen of the said country, is a private fact checking organisation answerable to me? I am not saying they are lying, but what are the checks and balances on them. > Should government be the arbiter of truth? About it's own politica…

I am saying they are lying and so should you. You are engaging in a losing battle trying to argue these people into sense.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by sol_invictus » Tue, May 25, 2021, 5:30 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #94

knolax wrote: post #92

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It took two comments for a thread about Twitter to turn into HNers identifying and generalizing a racial/national out group.

" Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. " https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Considering banning this person. It’s clear they’re not here to discuss the mechanics of things, but rather to throw cheap shots at comments and incite fights.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by nindalf » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:02 AM UTC

tsycho wrote: post #91

renewiltord wrote: post #63

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No, that’s not true. But in this case, the grandparent comment is correct. The current Indian Prime Minister is very popular among Bay Area Indians and techies and so they will defend him nearly always.

That's another broad generalization. I know many Bay Area Indians, and within my personal circles, a majority of them are anti-Modi and have been so pre-Covid too. That said, the amount of unquestionable Trump-like support for Modi is truly baffling.

Modi’s personal popularity among ex-pat Indians is because of his elevator pitch - Make India Great Again. These folks left India because of shortcomings they perceived in the country, from cronyism to redtape to lack of opportunities. And Modi is going to fix all of these problems!

That makes them feel good, so they support him.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by nindalf » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:16 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #72

nindalf wrote: post #49

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In general, Indians living abroad are highly supportive of the Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi. Not his party, or his government, or his policies ... just him personally. Hacker News contains many such people. They are responsible for the bizarre comments you've read on this thread. On a related note, this thread will soon be flagged, like all threads that are even mildly, indirectly critical of Narendra Modi. En…

This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…

Dang, could you share how many times this thread was flagged, if at all? Also, did you or another moderator have to manually unflag it?

Implicit in your comment is the idea that I’m just imagining this, like a paranoid person claiming persecution. But IME, Bay Area Indians are highly supportive of Modi and are highly active on HN. They incite a flame war, flag the thread and the thread vanishes. If a moderator comes across it, they see that there was a flame war and the flag was justified.

I get where you’re coming from - that maybe I’m overestimating the prevalence of apologists for a mass murderer. Maybe I am. But I think you are discounting how effectively they use the mechanics of HN to shut down criticism of their deity.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by sanmon3186 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 6:58 AM UTC

World would be better place if we don't take sides. Most if not all real world issues comes in shades for grey. In this case the controversy indeed started on Twitter. Twitter clearly took a side, and hence owes explanation on why it thinks it is a case of "manipulated media". Did Govt of India require to send trooper to deliver the notice? Absolutely no. As usual, it overreacted.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by dang » Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:09 AM UTC

nindalf wrote: post #104

dang wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This generalization comes up in every polarized thread about every polarized topic. Literally every side that feels passionately on such a topic feels like the community is outrageously biased against their side. For every sarcastic and aggrieved "anything that supports $X will get downvoted and flagged" or "anything even mildly critical will get $Y", there are isomorphic comments from the opposing side which are jus…

Dang, could you share how many times this thread was flagged, if at all? Also, did you or another moderator have to manually unflag it? Implicit in your comment is the idea that I’m just imagining this, like a paranoid person claiming persecution. But IME, Bay Area Indians are highly supportive of Modi and are highly active on HN. They incite a flame war, flag the thread and the thread vanishes. If a moderator comes…

It wasn't heavily flagged and we didn't have to manually unflag it.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by nindalf » Tue, May 25, 2021, 7:20 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #106

nindalf wrote: post #104

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Dang, could you share how many times this thread was flagged, if at all? Also, did you or another moderator have to manually unflag it? Implicit in your comment is the idea that I’m just imagining this, like a paranoid person claiming persecution. But IME, Bay Area Indians are highly supportive of Modi and are highly active on HN. They incite a flame war, flag the thread and the thread vanishes. If a moderator comes…

It wasn't heavily flagged and we didn't have to manually unflag it.

Thanks.

By the way, your explanation of that persecution complex was good. The challenge is people (like me) looking at and thinking “yeah, sounds correct except in my case, where I know for a fact I’m a persecuted minority on HN”

But maybe it’s enough to convince people in general that there’s no such persecution going on, even if there is. That way comments like mine that imply it’s existence end up with -10 instead of +23 or whatever. So fewer tedious comments, but maybe easier for the downvoting/flaming/flagging cabals (should they exist) to take control of the narrative on HN.

You’ve been doing this a long time. So you’ll probably make a good decision, whatever you decide.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by srean » Tue, May 25, 2021, 8:42 AM UTC

tsycho wrote: post #91

renewiltord wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, that’s not true. But in this case, the grandparent comment is correct. The current Indian Prime Minister is very popular among Bay Area Indians and techies and so they will defend him nearly always.

That's another broad generalization. I know many Bay Area Indians, and within my personal circles, a majority of them are anti-Modi and have been so pre-Covid too. That said, the amount of unquestionable Trump-like support for Modi is truly baffling.

Nindalf's position is not that all Bay Area Indians are blind and aggressive Modi fans. So your observation does not really contest that.

Your honor, I can present many who did not witness me murdering X

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by wolverine876 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:03 PM UTC

nradov wrote: post #97

wolverine876 wrote: post #45

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Can you provide some basis for saying it's true? That is not my understanding, but I'm always interested in learning more.

There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic. He hasn't denied any of it, nor has any evidence of falsification been found. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int... But the whole thing was a big nothingburger.

> There is no real doubt that the contents found on Hunter Biden's laptop are authentic.

Right now, there is a lot of doubt: All I have is some words typed by someone on the Internet.

> https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-laptop-reports-int...

That article barely discusses the laptop, and quotes Hunter Biden saying he didn't know if the proported laptop was even his. It says nothing about authenticity of the contents.

Re: Police in India visited Twitter offices over ‘manipulated media’ label

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Post by wolverine876 » Tue, May 25, 2021, 4:06 PM UTC

fellellor wrote: post #100

wolverine876 wrote: post #29

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>> The ruling party released a fake document > It very well might be(not that I know about this), but how did Twitter figure this out? As far as I understand, there has been accusations from both sides without proof. The article answers your question: A prominent fact-checking organization examined the document. You can then question the fact-checking organization, and eventually nobody can say anything. Should gover…

Neither are they “prominent”, nor do they “check facts”. Someone has to be the arbiter of the truth. I’d rather it be courts and some legal process, or even the government rather than some so called “prominent fact checking organisation”.

> Neither are they “prominent”, nor do they “check facts”.

What is that based on?

> Someone has to be the arbiter of the truth.

They do? That has never been the case, except in dictatorships where the ruler has claimed to be the arbiter, but few actually believe what they say is truth.