hmmm, the crown prince of korea owning freenode is just as believable as the queen of england contributing to the linux kernel.
He's also not really the crown prince. It's been disputed, as the previous crown prince was disputed as well.
“Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
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Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why do you think nearly the entire staff was against this? If it was a hostile takeover by a small 'non democratic' group, would you not expect that only that group would quit? Also, if you were the owner of freenode for so long, why does almost no-one in the chat logs which have been made public seem to be aware of you?
Did you read the PDF? It’s actually really clear there. Lots of defamatory and false comments were made by the former staff - which are proven to be false in the document. In terms of the ownership, it was on the main blog and website for the past 4 years [1]. Also checkout http://techrights.org/2021/05/21/freenode-facts/ Thanks! [1] https://freenode.net/news/pia-fn
I read the whole PDF and I think I speak for a lot of people when I say it doesn't really make anything clear at all.
Your claim of ownership over Freenode isn't news; it's one detail that both sides of this controversy seem ready to agree on: someone named christel somehow sold you an IRC network 5 years ago, unbeknownst (until recently) to the people operating the IRC network on their own servers.
What is the PDF meant to clarify beyond that?
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Christel was the head of staff and created a limited corporation in the UK to manage freenode’s name and trademarks. What’s unclear is how much “freenode limited” owns in terms of the network itself.
the formation of Christel's corporation did effectively make her* the owner. any court would see a service she is involved in operating by his company's trademark, as belonging to that company. sad.
As I said, the part that is unclear is how much “freenode limited” owns.
The core of freenode- the servers themselves- are sponsored and owned by third parties. The volunteers maintaining the infrastructure are not affiliated with the corporation either.
So really what this whole mess has boiled down to is what is the delineation between freenode limited and freenode-the-volunteer-run-sponsored-network. Andrew believes he owns everything, and the former staff believe he only owns the name, trademark, and potentially the website/domain.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you left out a few important things in that paragraph. There was at least one significant dispute. Something about a DNS change that would cause many people to leave. What exactly was that? Also, that Christel person or whatever their name, the fact that they apparently were kind of desperate for money at some point and so supposedly sold you something seems like you were taking advantage of them and the situ…
The DNS dispute is when I, who owned the domains, was cut off from the domains and simply asked for it back. As you can see I was approached by freenode to buy freenode please don’t twist it. Did you read the PDF with the screenshots?
I am not twisting anything. If I had not read the PDF then how would I know christel was desperate?
Why is it so important for the Freenode community that you own the domain? Because as far as I can tell, the Freenode community moved to Libera.chat and made a much nicer website that doesn't have an ad on it for some kind of unrelated VM service prominently featured on the home page. And they have moved the chat rooms also.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There will be few noticeable changes in terms of day-to-day operations, the freenode project will continue to operate with much the same structure and volunteer base as it does now
It did until I was locked out of the dns and an internal reorganization and structure was put in place. The screenshots from former staff agenda is on the PDF. I don’t wish to be on irc 24/7 contrary to what people might or might not think.
There's nothing about DNS in the meeting notes that I can see.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#106This raised my eyebrow a little: >At this point, I reach out to prawnsalad, a known person in the IRC space who has relationships with many people. What Lee neglects to say here is that prawnsalad's work has been sponsored by Lee (via PIA) as far back as 2017.[0] I have no reason to suggest that prawnsalad has acted improperly,[1] but he's not necessarily a disinterested party here. [0] https://kiwiirc.com/blog/Kiwi_…
He didn’t improperly act as you said and was not interested in this situation other than for the benefit of irc.
To be clear, I have sponsored so many FOSS projects in the past and it’s pretty common knowledge within FOSS — for example even freenode ;)
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
> * Maybe you should consider incorporating it as a nonprofit and potentially a technology switch to Matrix? * Please don't. I like Matrix, I use it, but it's not IRC, and it's far, far more resource heavy (both in homeserver and in clients) than IRC is. You can run IRC on ancient gutless wonders, and it uses almost no resources. Matrix, especially the flagship Element client, is a resource hog. Start throwing rooms…
IRC stays IRC, but how else does a network like freenode survive a giant schism? They need to differentiate from libera chat. Matrix has problems, but as the ecosystem grows we'll start to see improvements.
I’ve been using Matrix with Riot, now Element, for 5 years and it’s only ever gotten worse. You really shouldn’t expect to see improvements.
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#108> The former staff leave, destroying the network andits community in the process Baffling lack of self reflection on display. Own your mistakes.
It's not clear (yet) if Lee actually made any mistakes.
> 1) In early 2021, the freenode website was altered to begin prominently
> mentioning Shells, a company that Andrew co-founded [4].
>
> This was not discussed among staff at the time. This caused some
> disruption and considerable confusion among staff for months afterward,
> as to how to handle user inquiries about it, of which we received many.
>
> Ultimately, christel chose to resign rather than explain the situation to
> us.
>
> As an addendum, this is *extremely* irregular. All website advertising is
> usually only found at [5].
>
> [4] https://www.shells.com/l/en-US/team
> [5] https://freenode.net/acknowledgements
https://gist.github.com/aaronmdjones/1a9a93ded5b7d162c3f58bd...
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There will be few noticeable changes in terms of day-to-day operations, the freenode project will continue to operate with much the same structure and volunteer base as it does now
It did until I was locked out of the dns and an internal reorganization and structure was put in place. The screenshots from former staff agenda is on the PDF. I don’t wish to be on irc 24/7 contrary to what people might or might not think.
The screenshots seems incomplete, which makes me doubtful to trust them. If you are able to show the full conversations it could enlighten me further, but truncated pictures and screenshots won't do.
The internal reorganization and structure seems a sensible thing to do (as an outsider it even looks like an improvement) and was agreed by all the staff. You weren't supposed to interfere so why a new structure and reorg would affect you ?
You also seemed to be annoyed by them improving the current IRCd. Why that would matter to you ?
Re: “Setting the record straight on Freenode” [pdf]
#110The fact that this statement was delivered as a PDF tells us all we need to know.