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Re: U.S. has almost 500k job openings in cybersecurity

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I'm not logging in as root directly. But non the less with 5 people what audit system would be even available in which only one person has access. All smart concepts cost either a lot of money or just don't work if you don't have enough people. Should the only techlead have access to the audit system? Probably. Should the only techlead have access to VMs? Probably yes. I made sure my systems are encrypted, 2fa wherev…

Security is hard. As a business owner that is a risk you accept. I know this sounds mean but software developers are really embarrassingly bad at security, because security is inconvenient by design and developers strive for convenience.

> I know this sounds mean but software developers are really embarrassingly bad at security, because security is inconvenient by design and developers strive for convenience.

This is a common statement from security people, and in my view, one of the reasons that security frequently fails.

To make an analogy, it's like a failing startup blaming the market for not adapting to their product. They're trying to solve this in a way the market doesn't want. Likewise, Security teams keep trying to ham-fistedly force everyone to do things in a way that's easy for them, and hard for everyone else.

Ops realized this a while ago, which is why we have so many tools for easily managing infrastructure abstractions. Where are the security abstraction tools? You want accounts to have the least privileges possible, so where are my tools to manage that? From what I've seen, those tools are few and far between.

I maintain that the way security is currently done is actively harmful. It incentivizes not talking to security, because if you do they're going to drop in, make a ton of demands (none of which they will actually help you accomplish), and your PM is going to be pissed the project is now late. Most of the meetings I've been in where security should have been there have involved someone saying "don't do that, because security will get involved".

Frankly, it happens because there is no alternative to using in house security. I can petition my higher ups to let me use AWS or GCP if I'm not happy with how the infrastructure is being managed; who do I petition to use if Security is holding us back?

For what it's worth, compliance departments often have the same issue. They know there's no one else you can use, so they have little incentive to make themselves easy to deal with.

Re: U.S. has almost 500k job openings in cybersecurity

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From my perspective, they've got a perception problem to fix. I was keenly interested in cybersecurity for a while (enjoy playing wargames and CTFs, still considering going for my OSCP just for fun), but following people in the industry for a while, I got the impression you have (at least) three pitfalls to look out for: 1. Working in a corporation, where the job is just compliance checklist whack-a-mole. 2. Working…

4. Software development within cybersecurity. Ie. developing the tools of the trade. See [0] for an example of an opensource tool. I would say this is pretty interesting work. [0] https://www.zaproxy.org/

It's specialized type of SW. a little more interesting than webdev, i guess, but not by much.

Re: U.S. has almost 500k job openings in cybersecurity

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The industry gets a bad rap, because it's full of ego maniacs, but the reality is that there are tons of interesting opportunities that fall outside conventional compliance/pen-testing roles. Research is actually a huge sector, because you can apply security research to so many emerging and existing industries. You can specialize is specific things as well. Take for example blockchain. !0 years ago there were no cryp…

Security research fascinated me after reading a number of papers on really cool exploits, but it was quickly evident it wasn't something I'd ever be cut out for. Anyways, do you typically have to be highly credentialed to do it? How many people are getting hired as security researchers without prior [academic] research?

Honestly, it's something that you can just "do". I know not everyone has much appetite for speculative, unpaid work, but that's the lowest rung of the ladder you can start. Bug bounties for example... if you go deep into enough into a single category of bug class that you can find a new way to approach it, that's demonstrated security research and can start you off on a track record that makes you employable. Not all security research is low-level stack smashing. I also think there are highly overlooked opportunities in emerging sectors. Off the top of my head, VR is taking off, but it's still so niche. It's an opportunity to go deep into something and make some discoveries that might have meaningful impact. So I guess as a long winded answer to your question, I don't think there's a typical path, because not all security research is academic by default in my opinion.
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