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Post by pavel_lishin »

itake wrote: post #77
illumanaughty wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because exploiting people is wrong.

Can you elaborate how this is exploiting? I am a SWE engineer with photography as a hobby. If a tv show contacted me to do a wedding shoot, I'd be excited for the coverage and I wouldn't feel exploited since doing shoots is fun for me. I could see how there are parallels to the "background actor" industry where, by law, you have to pay all of the talent on screen, even if its a nominal amount and the actor would of w…

I hope you can see the difference between doing something for free when it's your hobby, vs. doing something for free when it's your career.

If a TV show contacted you do create a web app, would you do that work for free? Would you give up other opportunities to get paid to do so?

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Post by stuff4ben »

itake wrote: post #77
illumanaughty wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because exploiting people is wrong.

Can you elaborate how this is exploiting? I am a SWE engineer with photography as a hobby. If a tv show contacted me to do a wedding shoot, I'd be excited for the coverage and I wouldn't feel exploited since doing shoots is fun for me. I could see how there are parallels to the "background actor" industry where, by law, you have to pay all of the talent on screen, even if its a nominal amount and the actor would of w…

Because you're a hobbyist and there's probably no chance in hell they'd contact you. This is this persons job and they look to be a professional. But imagine if Google or Microsoft or decided to ask you to do a software project for them for no money but you'd get exposure, would you do it? If so, I have a shit ton of work that I'll give you while collecting my salary and give you "exposure"...

Re: Netflix's “Love Is Blind” Wants Unpaid Photographer for Five Weddings

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Post by LanceH »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #32
shoto_io wrote: post #5

I might get downvoted for that, I still gonna say it: That might be due to the demand-supply situation in photography. They probably will find photographers doing this for the promotion effect described in the email.

My wife has done professional wedding photography, and each gig is definitely a lot of work. Especially the post-event editing. But high-end weddings can be very lucrative. If a wedding photographer is (a) ready to perform this level of work, and (b) can afford to do 5 unpaid gigs, and (c) aspires to break into high-end work, I can see this making business sense.

I was thinking along the same lines. There is a big difference in exposure between a high profile Netflix show and the typical request from an Instagram influencer.

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Post by happytoexplain »

kevinskii wrote: post #90
Ensorceled wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right but abusive and predatory behaviour is STILL abusive and predatory in an oversupply situation.

One time someone asked me for a favor. I thought it was unreasonable so I declined. I didn't realize this sort of thing was "abusive and predatory." I feel so victimized now.

Unless your neighbor is a gigantic corporate entity and the favor they asked was for you to spend a week dispensing your acquired skills with which you normally achieve your livelihood, then this seems like a totally unreasonable comparison.

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Post by 6gvONxR4sf7o »

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

> Internships are, in the best light, just a really good recruiting tool.

They're also good manager training.

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Post by anm89 »

munk-a wrote: post #21

The US continues to support unpaid work in a pretty major way. I think unpaid internships being socially acceptable is one of the roots of this insidious habit. They've been illegal up here in Canada for a while and it hasn't really caused any economic disasters. It'd be a good change to advocate for down there as well. And, honestly, internships aren't free for companies unless there is literally nothing of value be…

I agreed that legislating this is the best route here. It's hard to blame netflix for trying to get free labor when they know they are going to get away with it every time.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

aiisahik wrote: post #29

People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

Just because it's the norm doesn't mean it's not predatory.

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Post by SirSourdough »

aiisahik wrote: post #29

People who think this is predatory have clearly NOT worked in the TV / Film industry. Doing shit jobs for free in the hopes of getting some cred is the norm. Not right but not news. BTW just because it's going to be on Netflix doesn't mean Netflix is the employer. Netflix just buys the content. The staffing / contract decisions are made by the production company.

I don’t see how the fact that this behaviour has been normalized in a notoriously abusive industry makes it any less predatory...

I agree it’s not new but it can still be an important discussion. It shouldn’t continue to happen just because it has been happening.

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Post by mbesto »

happytoexplain wrote: post #61
tpmx wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please expand on why you think so. Edit: Any why this is the case, in this situation. Please explain? (I'm not from the US - I may be missing something.)

It seems fairly self-explanatory - the oversupply is of individual human workers, not some product. The individual at the bottom of the pyramid is hurt directly. A large business is treating a specific human at the bottom with disrespect. The name of the economic principle at play is morally irrelevant. I.e. economic shrewdness is not equivalent to morality.

I think everything you read is true, but also I think speaks to the overabundance of supply.

To put this in a different light - people (here among all places) are especially sick of firms like Accenture/IBM/etc. of loading up projects with unexperienced junior people and putting absurd markup on their services. Which one do people want? Paying for soccer teams full of inexperienced people learning on the job or promising inexperienced person experience and exposure as compensation for their services?

For the record - I'm speaking about this from the perspective of market dynamics, not regulations/morality. I personally think a co like Netflix is in the wrong here.

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