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Comparative assessments of dietary sugars on cognitive performance (2018)

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Interesting, considering the brain can not metabolize fructose, only glucose and ketones.

Liver is the only organ that can metabolize fructose, where it ends up producing metabolites very similar to alcohol, leading over time to non-alcoholic fatty liver.

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The question here is why dietary science is so unreliable? There are so many fads. Every year. Many of them with a base in a peer reviewed paper, but all conflicting with each other. And even reading this comments here: yes keto diet makes me sharp thinking, no actually keto gives 'brain fog', no it is glucose that gives 'brain fog'. It reads like a primary example of some random effects that people interpret to be c…

Luckily you can create a Venn-Diagram and arrive at something pretty universal. First understand three things: 1) People are very different; genetics, microbiome, allergies and daily habits makes different diets great for different people. We are talking diets as different as super high fat keto, compared to high carb vegan that can probably all be great. 2) Most people thrive with the mysterious 80-20 rule, meaning…

> Lots of foods today have less nutrients because of horrible soil quality.

Is this true? How can a plant look healthy and delicious if it didn't get the right nutrients?

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You are describing a real world scenario of drinking fruit juice versus eating the equivalent fruit, and the results are stunning. > But would the latter really affect you vs. a meal without carbs? Yes. The body will prioritize sugars, and thus carbs, over fats in both processing and energy extraction. That is problematic in that the rapid processing of sugars produces a result similar to a stimulant drug while consu…

I have trouble parsing exactly what you mean here, but it feels like a misunderstanding. Do you think consumed fats just sit ignored in your gut until any carbs are digested? Or that all fats consumed coincident with carbs are necessarily stored in adipose tissue? Both are absolutely not the case.

Your body must make a choice on what to process because different processes and hormones are involved. Sugars are always preferred because they have a lower cost of execution resulting in higher net energy. That means fats consumed at the same time are either stored or discarded until all sugars are processed.

That is ideal when food is scarce, sugars are scarce, and high energy output is frequent. Today high energy output is rarely demanded and sugars are abundant, which results in weight gain and obesity.

There is also encoding in the brain that drives a preference for sugar energy. Sugar is more physically addictive than cocaine, for example.

A high fat and low sugar (carbs) diet can be harder on the heart but it results a fairly constant body energy without the ups and downs of sugars and stimulants. It also results in weight loss. The body is smart enough to know how much fat it requires from food for energy output and discards excesses, but that body intelligence is confused by exercise.

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The question here is why dietary science is so unreliable? There are so many fads. Every year. Many of them with a base in a peer reviewed paper, but all conflicting with each other. And even reading this comments here: yes keto diet makes me sharp thinking, no actually keto gives 'brain fog', no it is glucose that gives 'brain fog'. It reads like a primary example of some random effects that people interpret to be c…

Because a) you can’t dissect and a human being and connect them to instrumentation for test and measurement like you would to a machine, and b) the meticulous wide scale testing available to drug companies costs billions, which no one would invest for dietary insights.

I sometimes think I'd volunteer (for money to my family's name) but it's not possible even if I want

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Luckily you can create a Venn-Diagram and arrive at something pretty universal. First understand three things: 1) People are very different; genetics, microbiome, allergies and daily habits makes different diets great for different people. We are talking diets as different as super high fat keto, compared to high carb vegan that can probably all be great. 2) Most people thrive with the mysterious 80-20 rule, meaning…

> Lots of foods today have less nutrients because of horrible soil quality. Is this true? How can a plant look healthy and delicious if it didn't get the right nutrients?

Yes, but by how much, and the gravity is of course still getting figured out.

A lot of nutrients though has fallen between 5% and 40% - which is worrying because if it continues, who knows how much we are going to rely on supplements which lacks a lot of phytonutrients. Also, already healthy people have to double or triple their vegetable intake to meet daily reqs, which isn't feasible.

This paper from Davis is about soil depletion:

https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/44/1...

Another factor besides soil depletion is Carbon Dioxide recently revealed: https://www.politico.com/agenda/story/2017/09/13/food-nutrie...

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I have trouble parsing exactly what you mean here, but it feels like a misunderstanding. Do you think consumed fats just sit ignored in your gut until any carbs are digested? Or that all fats consumed coincident with carbs are necessarily stored in adipose tissue? Both are absolutely not the case.

Your body must make a choice on what to process because different processes and hormones are involved. Sugars are always preferred because they have a lower cost of execution resulting in higher net energy. That means fats consumed at the same time are either stored or discarded until all sugars are processed. That is ideal when food is scarce, sugars are scarce, and high energy output is frequent. Today high energy…

> Sugars are always preferred because...

Also consider that sugars in the blood cause a pH imbalance, and if they are not rapidly metabolized this causes damage to our organs (and diabetic symptoms). You could make the same argument that fires are a priority in the kitchen because a cook will address them first.

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I have trouble parsing exactly what you mean here, but it feels like a misunderstanding. Do you think consumed fats just sit ignored in your gut until any carbs are digested? Or that all fats consumed coincident with carbs are necessarily stored in adipose tissue? Both are absolutely not the case.

Your body must make a choice on what to process because different processes and hormones are involved. Sugars are always preferred because they have a lower cost of execution resulting in higher net energy. That means fats consumed at the same time are either stored or discarded until all sugars are processed. That is ideal when food is scarce, sugars are scarce, and high energy output is frequent. Today high energy…

The notion of binary carbohydrate vs. fat metabolism is not reality. You're always using some of both, the balance just shifts dependent on a whole host of factors. Further, this has little to do with what happens to ingested nutrients. Fat and sugar are digested concurrently. You gut doesn't "decide" not to absorb fat, or to shove it into adipose tissue (there's no pathway for his; fat has to be digested before storing) because there was carbohydrate in your meal.

The comparison of sugar to cocaine is absurd. I don't have the will to try explaining it right now, but I urge you to read the literature on the subject, not write ups by bloggers/journalists.

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The question here is why dietary science is so unreliable? There are so many fads. Every year. Many of them with a base in a peer reviewed paper, but all conflicting with each other. And even reading this comments here: yes keto diet makes me sharp thinking, no actually keto gives 'brain fog', no it is glucose that gives 'brain fog'. It reads like a primary example of some random effects that people interpret to be c…

I find it takes about 10 to 20 articles to give context into the ongoing conversation that is any particular journal article.

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You can get the same effect with much less lifestyle disruption just by exercising. Specifically low intensity cardio trains your body to metabolize fat efficiently.

It doesn't. That's why "Hungerast", i.e. sudden loose of energy due to all carbohydrates being used up is a thing in all endurance focused sports.

It's actually not a thing in "all" endurance sports. Once you push into the realm of ultra endurance, athlete become so efficient at fat metabolism that they never "hit the wall" so to speak.

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You can get the same effect with much less lifestyle disruption just by exercising. Specifically low intensity cardio trains your body to metabolize fat efficiently.

What does metabolizing fat have to do with carbs giving you brain fog?

The brain fog is caused by rapid fluctuations of blood sugar. Low intensity aerobic exercise has a number of positive effects that all play off each other: You metabolize fat more readily as an energy source, which makes your body less reliant on carbs. This alleviates the exhaustion you might normally feel as your blood sugar crashes. And carbs (and especially refined sugars) are routed directly to muscles, blunting the insulin response and increasing insulin sensitivity.
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