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> The EU on the other hand keeps seizing vaccines produced for other countries. Citation needed. I've not heard about this at all.
https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/eu-official-a...
India’s second wave
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#102Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive. All the more reason everyone should mask up. And yet, most people stopped masking months ago. Crowds are as bad as they were in 2019. On top of that, doctors here have created a craze for remdesivir, resulting in a blackmarket for it. The central and state governments have mismanaged plenty of things. While they deserve their share of blame, the ord…
haven't been keeping up with updates from there but what's with vaccinated people getting the disease? is that common there due double mutant variant(s)?
The vaccines effectiveness is (mostly) a factor of how well they prevent the disease COVID-19. It's NOT a direct indication of how well they prevent infection with SARS-CoV-2, since not all infections cause COVID-19 (some are asymptomatic) but it seems to be a reasonably close bound.
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Personally I see a teenage suicide as a result of lockdown far more tragic than an 83 year old death from covid (that's the average age of Covid death in the UK. The average age of death in the UK is 82). 60+ years of life lost versus a maybe 2 or 3.
To be pedantic, the remaining life expectancy if an 82 year old in UK in 2019 was 7.5 years. https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=/peoplepopulationandcommunit... And of course, cumulatively many more "life years" would be lost in a no-lockdown world. But the real tragedy is you thinking stopping a real, deadly disease that affects millions of people isn't worth it because of a completely preventable death.
Sebastian Rushworth did an interesting article on this, pointing out that it is likely wrong.
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/29/how-many-years-of-...
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Of course. And the US had Trump leading it through the pandemic and a huge portion of the population who view mask wearing as a violation of fundamental rights. My point is that a country's status as "developing" doesn't seem to be the determining factor in how well they'll deal with it. Other factors are more important.
Like what? Respect for human rights? I mean, my brother is in Vietnam and some of the stuff they do there would be unconstitutional in the US.
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I quote qart: "Lockdowns hurt poor people very badly; they need to earn to survive."
The title of the piece is "‘It is much worse this time’: India’s devastating second wave". Given that the discussion is of the exponential increases in both cases and deaths, it seems clear that the "it" in the title refers to "the pandemic", not "life in general". My response followed this interpretation, despite the wording of your questions - clearly I should have been more explicit: "How would the lockdowns have…
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I live in a less developed part of the world - Vietnam - and the government and people have been incredibly successful in controlling the virus here. Aside from two short lockdowns of a couple of weeks, my life has barely been affected (except for the lack of tourists and the fact I can't travel outside the country). Local tourism and business seems to be booming. Meanwhile I hear all the stories from back home in Eu…
Governments can't control a virus. East Asia seems to have existing immunity or a genetic factor that means they aren't getting hit anywhere near as badly as other parts of the world.
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#107The fact that the official numbers are through the roof tell you how bad the unofficial (and real) numbers are. In the past week, there have been reports from several cities where the number of Covid deaths are measured in single digits - yet crematoriums are so full that people have started cremating their dead ones on sidewalks.
In some places by 20x! https://i.imgur.com/VJHL2VT.jpg
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#109The situation is also horrible in Brazil (14M cases, 378k deaths, ICUs near full): https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/brazil-alarming-high-num... One can only wonder if it's simply a matter of time before variants break through vaccines in the US too.
You can do more than wonder! You can look at the facts and see no evidence that any variant to date can evade the existing vaccines to the point that they are no longer useful.
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In some places by 20x! https://i.imgur.com/VJHL2VT.jpg
how do they know a cremation was for a covid-19 victim?
There have been plenty of analysis of various countries mortality rates compared to normal years. In general, the trend seems to be that poorer countries have probably missed a lot of COVID deaths due to lack of testing infrastructure and heavily rural populations.
https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/coronavirus-excess-...