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Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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I guess governments are suddenly much more interested in keeping key industries on-shore. I believe HMG didn't do anything to stop Astra-Zeneca being sold out of the UK a few years ago, and it's just luck it didn't go through. They probably see the need now.

It has to be said the current HMG is radically different than the previous one.

What does HMG stand for?

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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The semiconductor supply chain is now almost completely disaggregated ie everyone specialises in just a small part of the value chain. ARM’s speciality is in CPU design and it has carved out for itself the enviable position of being the defacto standard for mobile applications - almost every single phone on the planet has ARM processor(s) running it. And their products are in dozens of other end applications segments…

The thing I don't get about these acquisitions is, if ARM was this awesome design shop owning essentially all mobile chipsets and then some, why did they need the money? Were they going broke? If so, then it seems like the right thing to do would be to nationalize. If not, was it just a leadership decision for purposes of expanding the company?

From what I understand, the company that owns ARM (Softbank) is having financial problems,and is selling one of its successful assets to try and recover.

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

#104

The semiconductor supply chain is now almost completely disaggregated ie everyone specialises in just a small part of the value chain. ARM’s speciality is in CPU design and it has carved out for itself the enviable position of being the defacto standard for mobile applications - almost every single phone on the planet has ARM processor(s) running it. And their products are in dozens of other end applications segments…

> these companies will simply hollow ARM out (slash R&D, cut staff etc) to pump up the target’s value, before flogging it off or breaking it up. What does "flogging it off" mean in this context?

It's a malapropism for "fobbed off", which means to trick someone into buying something of inferior quality or value.

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing I don't get about these acquisitions is, if ARM was this awesome design shop owning essentially all mobile chipsets and then some, why did they need the money? Were they going broke? If so, then it seems like the right thing to do would be to nationalize. If not, was it just a leadership decision for purposes of expanding the company?

> if ARM was this awesome design shop owning essentially all mobile chipsets and then some, why did they need the money? Were they going broke? It’s not the company that gets the money - it’s the owners. This transaction is about SoftBank’s balance sheet, not ARMs.

I was thinking more about the original sale. It's looking like it was just the board seeing dollar signs, coupled with a promise of a huge workforce expansion.

[1] https://www.borntoengineer.com/britains-successful-technolog...

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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They blatantly ought to have done this for the original sale. Better late than never, I suppose.

How are there security reasons when their foreign licencees already get complete and modifiable designs? It's only an IP protection at that point enforceable through friendly relations, not anything immune to adversaries. I can see all the anti-competitive concerns though.

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

#108

They blatantly ought to have done this for the original sale. Better late than never, I suppose.

I understand objecting, but for security reasons? A better argument would be that Nvidia gains serious power over companies who are currently ARM customer and Nvidia competitors. Perhaps the UK want to be able to use ARM designs for domestic chips in the future, without being dependent on an American company, but yeah, then they should have objected when a Japanese company bought ARM as well.

Perhaps they’ve learned from a recent US administration that “National Security” is a very broad brush, which is hard to contradict, and thus is an easy card to play when you don’t want to reveal your actual motives! [1]

1. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53683569

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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The semiconductor supply chain is now almost completely disaggregated ie everyone specialises in just a small part of the value chain. ARM’s speciality is in CPU design and it has carved out for itself the enviable position of being the defacto standard for mobile applications - almost every single phone on the planet has ARM processor(s) running it. And their products are in dozens of other end applications segments…

Is there anything to stop SoftBank just moving the headquarters somewhere else and then selling? Or selling the IP to an overseas subsidiary, or some other way big Corps usually ignore what governments want them to do?

Re: Proposed acquisition of ARM Limited by NVIDIA: public interest intervention

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The semiconductor supply chain is now almost completely disaggregated ie everyone specialises in just a small part of the value chain. ARM’s speciality is in CPU design and it has carved out for itself the enviable position of being the defacto standard for mobile applications - almost every single phone on the planet has ARM processor(s) running it. And their products are in dozens of other end applications segments…

It seems surprising to assert that Nvidia would slash R&D after the acquisition, considering Nvidia’s demonstrated willingness to spend enormous amounts of money on R&D, even for speculative and risky products. For example, they funded the Project Denver/Carmel team for almost a decade, even though the resulting microarchitectures didn’t seem to have gained significant commercial traction. If this was a sale to a PE…

And are still funding that CPU design team, which is designing some upcoming products.
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